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2008-07-12T01:38:58  <unlink> is there any analog to the django {% filter %} tag?
2008-07-12T01:40:54  <unlink> in jinja, that is
2008-07-12T01:41:04  <mitsuhiko> unlink: {% filter %}?
2008-07-12T01:41:33  <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: this is georg here :)
2008-07-12T01:41:37  <xorAxAx> as of now
2008-07-12T01:41:40  <unlink> mitsuhiko: where is it documented?
2008-07-12T01:41:48  <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: hi georg :)
2008-07-12T01:42:01  <xorAxAx> I just spoke with guido about the docs
2008-07-12T01:42:12  <mitsuhiko> unlink: wow. it's indeed undocumented
2008-07-12T01:42:37  <xorAxAx> he'd keep the static content on the docs.python.org server and serve the comments via javascript fro appengine
2008-07-12T01:42:45  <unlink> how do i do {% filter wordwrap:"72" %} ... {% endfilter %}?
2008-07-12T01:42:54  <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: i kinda expected something weird as that
2008-07-12T01:43:06  <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: why is it so wierd?
2008-07-12T01:43:08  <mitsuhiko> unlink: {% filter wordwrap('72') %}...{% endfilter %}
2008-07-12T01:43:16  <unlink> oh, ok
2008-07-12T01:43:33  <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: because i think it's a bad idea to require javascript for comments
2008-07-12T01:43:41  <ronny> unlink: did you actually read the page about syntax ?
2008-07-12T01:43:54  <mitsuhiko> ronny: as i said, it's undocumented
2008-07-12T01:43:56  <unlink> ronny: huh?
2008-07-12T01:44:33  <ronny> hmm, why the heck do i remember it them
2008-07-12T01:45:17  <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: this is probaby the google view
2008-07-12T01:45:23  <unlink> django ?
2008-07-12T01:45:31  <unlink> anyway, mitsuhiko, thanks for your help
2008-07-12T01:45:37  <mitsuhiko> unlink: you're welcome
2008-07-12T01:45:53  <unlink> tschüss
2008-07-12T01:46:06  <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: well, i'm not fond of it, but i don't care that much
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2008-07-12T01:46:49  <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: I can try to come up with somethig and see what the community thinks
2008-07-12T01:47:05  <mitsuhiko> something as in?
2008-07-12T01:47:45  <xorAxAx> an impementation, given how easy appengine suposedly is :)
2008-07-12T01:48:42  <xorAxAx> grml, this keyboard is full of trash
2008-07-12T01:50:02  <xorAxAx> okay, i'll giveitback now before I get mad
2008-07-12T01:50:14  <xorAxAx> its not trash but nice food
2008-07-12T01:50:39  <xorAxAx> my suggestion is to use appengine only and let google/psf pay
2008-07-12T01:51:47  <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: okay
2008-07-12T01:52:19  <xorAxAx> this might just result in a lock-in to google
2008-07-12T01:55:08  <mitsuhiko> outsourcing infrastructure :)
2008-07-12T01:56:55  <aa_> I don't get how you would use an external ajax api with the security thing for XHRs
2008-07-12T01:57:00  <aa_> is it all <iframe> ?
2008-07-12T01:58:39  <mitsuhiko> aa_: script tag injection
2008-07-12T01:58:46  <mitsuhiko> it's also called jsonp
2008-07-12T01:59:05  <aa_> hrm, never ehard of it
2008-07-12T02:00:17  <aa_> I think I get it though, like you just include a script from the remote server and that does the ajax calls?
2008-07-12T02:01:35  <mitsuhiko> nope
2008-07-12T02:01:38  <mitsuhiko> you are including a script
2008-07-12T02:01:40  <mitsuhiko> and that is loaded
2008-07-12T02:01:53  <mitsuhiko> and what that script does is calling a function with input data
2008-07-12T02:12:49  <CIA-41> python-doctools: armin.ronacher * r64886 /doctools/trunk/sphinx/ext/autodoc.py: Fixed an bug with docstring outdenting in the autodoc extension
2008-07-12T02:31:47  <aa_> mitsuhiko: at last I get it :)
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2008-07-12T04:10:05  <birkenfeld> mitsuhiko: what was wrong with the previous implementation anyway?
2008-07-12T04:16:18  <birkenfeld> (of the docstring dedention)
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2008-07-12T06:19:10  <mitsuhiko> birkenfeld: this string failed:
2008-07-12T06:19:11  <mitsuhiko> def foo():
2008-07-12T06:19:15  <mitsuhiko>  """Blah::
2008-07-12T06:19:16  <mitsuhiko> 
2008-07-12T06:19:19  <mitsuhiko>     blah
2008-07-12T06:19:23  <mitsuhiko>  """
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2008-07-12T07:27:10  <CIA-41> Jinja 2: mitsuhiko trunk * 543:48619b7a5e07 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Altered filesizeformat to support both MB and MiB, documented `{% filter %}`.
2008-07-12T07:27:10  <CIA-41> Jinja 2: mitsuhiko trunk * 544:63ddbf0cb2ef /jinja2/environment.py: Automated merge with ssh://team@pocoo.org/jinja2-main
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2008-07-12T07:55:06  <unlink> what is the closest jinja equivalent to django's "django.template.loader.template_source_loaders", which get_traceback_html() iterates over when a template is not found?
2008-07-12T07:55:39  <mitsuhiko> jinja_env.loaders?
2008-07-12T07:55:41  <mitsuhiko> *loader
2008-07-12T08:06:39  <unlink> i'll try that
2008-07-12T08:08:12  <unlink> that's similar, but perhaps there's no equivalent
2008-07-12T08:08:29  <mitsuhiko> unlink: what exactly does template_souce_loaders do?
2008-07-12T08:08:37  <mitsuhiko> isn't that just a list of configured loaders?
2008-07-12T08:09:24  <unlink> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79199/
2008-07-12T08:09:43  <unlink> when a template is not found, it shows a list of tried template locations
2008-07-12T08:09:50  <unlink> this is the code that gets them
2008-07-12T08:10:16  <unlink> unfortunately, this logic is hardcoded into a large function
2008-07-12T08:10:47  <unlink> so the only way it seems that it would be possible to override the functionality would be to write a compatible template_source_loaders object and override the one in django.template.loader
2008-07-12T08:16:53  <mitsuhiko> unlink: that depends on the loader in jinja
2008-07-12T08:17:06  <unlink> yes, it does
2008-07-12T08:17:08  <mitsuhiko> there is jinja_env.loader.searchpath if the loader is a file system loader
2008-07-12T08:18:18  <unlink> btw, this is final step in converting my app from django to jinja templates
2008-07-12T08:18:30  <mitsuhiko> nic
2008-07-12T08:18:38  <mitsuhiko> +e :)
2008-07-12T08:18:56  <unlink> which, at the end of the day, is easier said than done
2008-07-12T08:19:16  <unlink> especially when there are lots of template changes in other branches
2008-07-12T08:22:01  <unlink> the lack of a url tag was what caused most of the conflicts, actually
2008-07-12T08:22:41  <unlink> i wrote a function because i thought it would be easier
2008-07-12T08:24:42  <mitsuhiko> it's also a better idea
2008-07-12T08:24:45  <mitsuhiko> because you can use it in expressions
2008-07-12T08:25:00  <unlink> well, i don't do that anywhere
2008-07-12T08:25:25  <unlink> yes, it's better now that i've changed all of the tags to function calls and merged the conflicts
2008-07-12T08:25:35  <unlink> however, it would have taken less time to write an extension
2008-07-12T08:34:52  <unlink> i can't believe i'm merging this branch
2008-07-12T08:35:01  <unlink> this has been a very long time in the making
2008-07-12T08:39:21  <unlink> i don't think i've ever had 30 files conflict before either
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2008-07-12T09:37:47  <asmodai> I seriously don't grok this.
2008-07-12T09:38:06  <asmodai> xterm, aterm all very fast under xfce when I resize
2008-07-12T09:38:12  <asmodai> Terminal is slow as molasses
2008-07-12T09:39:09  <halex> Probably due to font rendering.
2008-07-12T09:41:36  <asmodai> halex: When I switch workspaces to my browser space it's fast, go back and I see it rendering the inside of the terminals
2008-07-12T09:41:38  <asmodai> pretty bizarre
2008-07-12T09:42:38  <unlink> ohayou, asmodai
2008-07-12T09:42:54  <asmodai> ohayou gozaimasu
2008-07-12T09:43:16  <asmodai> Now, to decide on a music player app.
2008-07-12T09:43:25  <asmodai> I wonder which one nowadays resembles MediaMonkey the most.
2008-07-12T09:43:33  <unlink> asmodaisan no tokoroni nanji desu ka?
2008-07-12T09:45:12  <unlink> boku wa banshee ga totemo suki desu -- http://banshee-project.org/
2008-07-12T09:45:48  <asmodai> kokoha kyuuji yonjugopun desu.
2008-07-12T09:46:05  <unlink> sou ka
2008-07-12T09:46:08  <asmodai> Banshee, mmm lets see
2008-07-12T09:46:18  <unlink> kuso
2008-07-12T09:46:23  <unlink> oyu ga arimasen yo
2008-07-12T09:46:32  <unlink> dou shimasu...
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2008-07-12T09:47:24  <asmodai> unlink: I'm curious, personal interest in Japanese or did you focus on it for something?
2008-07-12T09:48:12  <unlink> genkogakusha desu
2008-07-12T09:48:22  <asmodai> sou desu ka.
2008-07-12T09:48:32  <unlink> sou
2008-07-12T09:48:37  * asmodai normally only seems to encounter animefans on IRC with regards to Japanese.
2008-07-12T09:48:40  <halex> Banshee's awesome, but only because I hacked on it. ;)
2008-07-12T09:48:48  <asmodai> Easy to pick 'm out due to their use of the language.
2008-07-12T09:48:55  <unlink> is my use similar?
2008-07-12T09:49:08  <mitsuhiko> banshee's cool
2008-07-12T09:49:24  <asmodai> unlink: Not that I've found out. The kuso might be a giveaway, but that depends. Guys amongst each other are a bit rougher.
2008-07-12T09:49:24  <mitsuhiko> benshee becomes better whereas amarok becomes worse from release to release
2008-07-12T09:49:44  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: I used amarok once, ye flipping gods, that was a nightmare
2008-07-12T09:49:54  <halex> asmodai: I would have to agree.
2008-07-12T09:50:01  <halex> I'd use Totem over Amarok any day.
2008-07-12T09:50:03  <unlink> asmodai: heh, well i didn't get that from Pimsleur
2008-07-12T09:50:04  <asmodai> unlink: Dead giveaways are omae, temae, ore (although debatable)
2008-07-12T09:50:11  <halex> and that's saying something.
2008-07-12T09:50:33  <asmodai> halex: I just finished compiling totem, damn, does that thing drag in half the gnome kitchensink.
2008-07-12T09:50:34  <unlink> asmodai: omae is the only form that makes sense in some situations
2008-07-12T09:50:49  <mitsuhiko> asmodai: you're mixing that up with kde applications :)
2008-07-12T09:50:51  <mitsuhiko> gnome is modular
2008-07-12T09:51:01  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: modular my ass ;)
2008-07-12T09:51:02  <halex> asmodai: Building most GNOME apps takes ages though due to deps, heh
2008-07-12T09:51:17  <halex> Why were you compiling it anyway?
2008-07-12T09:51:21  <asmodai> halex: BSD :D
2008-07-12T09:51:26  <halex> Oh, my bad. ;)
2008-07-12T09:51:28  <unlink> lawl
2008-07-12T09:51:28  <mitsuhiko> that's why thou shall use a package manager
2008-07-12T09:51:38  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: fsck that, I like my options. :D
2008-07-12T09:51:54  <unlink> -funroll-all-loops? ;-)
2008-07-12T09:51:55  <halex> If by options you mean pain, then sure!
2008-07-12T09:52:02  <halex> :p
2008-07-12T09:52:05  <unlink> ... or is that gentoo?
2008-07-12T09:52:21  <asmodai> unlink: Gentoo.
2008-07-12T09:52:21  <mitsuhiko> i always read "fun roll"
2008-07-12T09:52:29  <halex> mitsuhiko: hahaha, same here.
2008-07-12T09:52:29  <mitsuhiko> unlink: that's gentoo
2008-07-12T09:52:35  <unlink> gotcha
2008-07-12T09:52:53  <unlink> what's BSD? -fbe-years-behind-linux?
2008-07-12T09:53:01  <asmodai> unlink: but ore actually can be used by a male to refer to himself. Although I generally prefer boku with fallback to more formal watashi.
2008-07-12T09:53:22  * asmodai wonders if he needs to dig out those SMP scaling graphs again ;)
2008-07-12T09:53:31  <mitsuhiko> bsd == ugly userland
2008-07-12T09:53:44  <unlink> asmodai: yeah. also, it's the standard form for old men
2008-07-12T09:53:46  * mitsuhiko hugs his gnu
2008-07-12T09:53:50  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: I like the userland a lot, thankyouverymuch.
2008-07-12T09:53:54  <halex> My gnu!
2008-07-12T09:53:58  <asmodai> GNU userland makes me go nuts.
2008-07-12T09:54:12  <unlink> that's funny, i like linux for its kernel
2008-07-12T09:54:23  <asmodai> ls --too-many-fucking-options-that-can-easily-be-done-by-proper-piping-the-unix-way
2008-07-12T09:54:30  <mitsuhiko> asmodai: pah
2008-07-12T09:54:34  * asmodai grin
2008-07-12T09:54:35  <asmodai> s
2008-07-12T09:54:41  <asmodai> And above all
2008-07-12T09:54:43  <asmodai> vim > emacs
2008-07-12T09:54:45  <asmodai> zsh > bash
2008-07-12T09:54:46  <asmodai> there
2008-07-12T09:54:51  * asmodai is done ranting
2008-07-12T09:55:02  <unlink> while we're at it
2008-07-12T09:55:12  <unlink> why can't stupid mercurial handle cheap renames????
2008-07-12T09:55:29  <mitsuhiko> unlink: because... it's not baaaaaaaaaaaazaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar
2008-07-12T09:55:42  <halex> My eyes! It buuurns!
2008-07-12T09:55:52  <unlink> ok, let me try harder
2008-07-12T09:56:02  <asmodai> svn + hg > git || bzr
2008-07-12T09:56:13  <asmodai> forgot that one
2008-07-12T09:56:19  <mitsuhiko> asmodai: bzr über alles?
2008-07-12T09:56:20  <halex> Mmmyeahno.
2008-07-12T09:56:27  <unlink> python? who the hell thought syntactic whitespace would be a good idea!
2008-07-12T09:56:29  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: You missed Die Anschluess.
2008-07-12T09:56:36  <unlink> (was that good?)
2008-07-12T09:56:52  <asmodai> unlink: I am liking the whitespace more and more actually.
2008-07-12T09:56:59  <unlink> i'm trying to flame
2008-07-12T09:57:07  <mitsuhiko> unlink: i'm still arguing that ruby is more whitespace sensitive than python
2008-07-12T09:57:07  <unlink> apparently i'm not very good at it
2008-07-12T09:57:17  <unlink> STOP TAKING ME SERIOUSLY
2008-07-12T09:57:18  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: Oh?
2008-07-12T09:57:19  <halex> Mm, the guy who was working on a Python-like language for Vala thought it'd be a great idea to only allow tabs, rather than spaces for indentation.
2008-07-12T09:57:25  <halex> I found it highly amusing.
2008-07-12T09:57:26  <mitsuhiko> unlink: :)
2008-07-12T09:57:33  <asmodai> halex: w.t.f..... . . .
2008-07-12T09:57:42  <mitsuhiko> reminds me of haml
2008-07-12T09:57:45  <asmodai> grml
2008-07-12T09:57:50  <mitsuhiko> there they require exactly two spaces indentation :)
2008-07-12T09:57:53  <unlink> mitsuhiko: but you're totally right, i've found ruby's syntactice whitespace use to be far more brittle than python's
2008-07-12T09:58:29  <unlink> and the only thing you lose with python's whitespace blocks is % in vim
2008-07-12T09:58:34  <unlink> of course you don't have that in ruby either
2008-07-12T09:59:17  <asmodai> unlink: that seems to work fine for me?
2008-07-12T09:59:19  <asmodai> the %
2008-07-12T09:59:31  <unlink> can't use it for selecting blocks of code
2008-07-12T09:59:40  <mitsuhiko> % works fine :)
2008-07-12T09:59:43  <unlink> oh?
2008-07-12T09:59:45  <asmodai> I generally use V for that anyway
2008-07-12T09:59:50  <mitsuhiko> ditto
2008-07-12T10:00:21  <mitsuhiko> unlink: there is a snippet on vim.org for a python %
2008-07-12T10:00:21  <unlink> in C you can use % to jump between matching braces surrounding a function or similar
2008-07-12T10:00:27  <unlink> oh
2008-07-12T10:00:38  <unlink> i'll check it out
2008-07-12T10:00:52  <asmodai> rofl:
2008-07-12T10:00:57  <asmodai> ** (totem:70902): WARNING **: Failed to create dbus proxy for org.gnome.SettingsDaemon: Could not get owner of name 'org.gnome.SettingsDaemon': no such name
2008-07-12T10:01:06  <unlink> haha
2008-07-12T10:01:07  <ronny> moin
2008-07-12T10:01:17  <asmodai> I wonder if that's because this is xfce
2008-07-12T10:01:22  <mitsuhiko> unlink: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1392
2008-07-12T10:01:23  <unlink> possibly
2008-07-12T10:01:30  <unlink> mitsuhiko: thanks for saving me a google
2008-07-12T10:01:43  <mitsuhiko> asmodai: you have to have a gnome settings daemon running
2008-07-12T10:01:57  <mitsuhiko> gnome-settings-daemon &
2008-07-12T10:01:59  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: Oh, jolly good :D
2008-07-12T10:02:04  <halex> and then again it also depends on the gnome-settings-daemon version.
2008-07-12T10:02:16  <halex> They randomly decided to change the location of the DBUS interface between versions.
2008-07-12T10:02:18  <unlink> asmodai: you know what i can't understand about japanese? "ainiku shitsurei shinakereba nara nai n desu"
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2008-07-12T10:04:26  <mitsuhiko> halex: at least it's dbus and not bonobo
2008-07-12T10:05:03  <asmodai> unlink: And what's the issue?
2008-07-12T10:05:18  <unlink> it's an incredibly long expression
2008-07-12T10:06:02  <halex> Eww, Bonobo.
2008-07-12T10:06:30  <asmodai> I seriously do not like much of Gnome's build up.
2008-07-12T10:06:52  <unlink> (i've actually never encountered many anime fan types online, just one really, and she didn't know more japanese than -chan, -san, -kun)
2008-07-12T10:06:54  <halex> Hence why I never build the damn thing from source, haha.
2008-07-12T10:07:04  <asmodai> funny thing the other day, person I know was implementing some freedesktop thinghy
2008-07-12T10:07:09  <asmodai> and it required gnomevfs
2008-07-12T10:07:22  <asmodai> turns out the authors for that part of the spec were all @gnome.org people
2008-07-12T10:07:30  <asmodai> freedesktop my ass ;)
2008-07-12T10:07:35  <halex> hahaha
2008-07-12T10:07:43  <ronny> lol
2008-07-12T10:08:06  <asmodai> unlink: you might like jisho.org and the forum then :)
2008-07-12T10:08:34  <asmodai> Anyone know of a best practices for user auth for a website?
2008-07-12T10:08:50  <halex> What do you mean?
2008-07-12T10:10:18  <asmodai> well, for my own dictionary project, web-based, I need to start adding user authentication so that I can properly hide the administrative/moderation stuff
2008-07-12T10:10:41  <mitsuhiko> asmodai: everybody hates gnome's build system
2008-07-12T10:10:51  <asmodai> Just storing it in my own database and all that. Just wondering if there were any dos/don'ts for web-based auth.
2008-07-12T10:11:10  <mitsuhiko> but seriously, a spec that requires something glib powered is a lot easier to handle than something requiring kdelibs
2008-07-12T10:11:31  <halex> Mm, indeed. Means I don't have to download 50MB of libraries.
2008-07-12T10:11:39  <mitsuhiko> and you need c++
2008-07-12T10:11:40  <asmodai> kdelibs is more like gnome-libs, no?
2008-07-12T10:11:55  <mitsuhiko> .. cuz nothing links against that
2008-07-12T10:11:56  <halex> asmodai: not particularly, unless you were referring to a single piece of the auth.
2008-07-12T10:12:07  <asmodai> halex: mmm, pity
2008-07-12T10:12:28  <halex> Oh my bad, kdelibs.
2008-07-12T10:12:45  <halex> I was thinking some of the Qt libs.
2008-07-12T10:12:47  <unlink> asmodai: er, there are plenty of things you can do wrong
2008-07-12T10:13:23  <unlink> asmodai: are you using a stock session framework?
2008-07-12T10:13:33  <halex> asmodai: don't ever do "Secret questions" :D
2008-07-12T10:13:41  <asmodai> unlink: werkzeug :D
2008-07-12T10:14:14  <asmodai> I guess I could scavenge stuff from textpress
2008-07-12T10:14:30  <halex> :o
2008-07-12T10:14:32  <unlink> not familiar with werkzeug
2008-07-12T10:14:37  <unlink> you could copy django's auth
2008-07-12T10:14:43  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: We have a heathen in our midst!
2008-07-12T10:14:51  <mitsuhiko> halex: kdelibs requires qt so...
2008-07-12T10:14:59  <halex> Does it? =/
2008-07-12T10:15:04  <asmodai> It does.
2008-07-12T10:15:05  <halex> I don't use enough KDE to know.
2008-07-12T10:15:09  <asmodai> KDE is built on Qt.
2008-07-12T10:15:16  <asmodai> Like Gnome is built on GTk.
2008-07-12T10:15:21  <mitsuhiko> asmodai: no, glib
2008-07-12T10:15:30  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: glib + gtk then? :)
2008-07-12T10:15:37  <mitsuhiko> asmodai: no, just glib/gobject
2008-07-12T10:15:40  <mitsuhiko> (on the framework level)
2008-07-12T10:15:43  <halex> I was thinking kdelibs was the glib of KDE.
2008-07-12T10:15:43  <asmodai> Oh ok
2008-07-12T10:15:46  <unlink> asmodai: eh, i use wwwjdic anyhow ;)
2008-07-12T10:15:47  <halex> But, that's QT.
2008-07-12T10:15:57  <halex> I'm tired, OK? ;)
2008-07-12T10:15:58  <asmodai> unlink: jisho is a nicer frontend to that data.
2008-07-12T10:16:04  <asmodai> halex: No, not acceptable. :P
2008-07-12T10:16:08  <halex> Noooo!
2008-07-12T10:16:08  <mitsuhiko> halex: it's Qt, QT is quicktime :)
2008-07-12T10:16:08  <unlink> asmodai: same data? or just edict?
2008-07-12T10:16:17  <mitsuhiko> Qt/QT, i hate both :)
2008-07-12T10:16:33  <mitsuhiko> the pronunciation is cute which is cute :)
2008-07-12T10:17:04  <asmodai> unlink: Mmm, Edict for now
2008-07-12T10:17:04  <unlink> quite.
2008-07-12T10:17:16  <asmodai> quite cute?
2008-07-12T10:17:19  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: but hey
2008-07-12T10:17:26  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: user auth :D
2008-07-12T10:17:27  <unlink> asmodai: but we're agreed that wwwjdic has a terrible interface. for edict i just use gjiten
2008-07-12T10:17:42  <asmodai> unlink: Although Jim's been fine tuning the interface lately.
2008-07-12T10:17:58  <unlink> it needs more than fine tunign, sadly
2008-07-12T10:17:59  <asmodai> But his web back end is fully in C :D
2008-07-12T10:18:45  <mitsuhiko> i seriously wonder if one should even try to parse narrow as date format
2008-07-12T10:19:01  <unlink> asmodai: hm, how do you know?
2008-07-12T10:19:03  <mitsuhiko> or stand-alone
2008-07-12T10:19:13  <mitsuhiko> whoops, wrong chan
2008-07-12T10:19:47  <asmodai> unlink: I've had enough contact with Jim in the past, and also I'm on the edict-jmdict@yahoogroups.com list
2008-07-12T10:19:59  <unlink> oh i see
2008-07-12T10:20:10  <plaes> there is one framework written in gobject...
2008-07-12T10:20:50  <unlink> gobject... :-(
2008-07-12T10:21:19  * plaes is googling for it...
2008-07-12T10:21:50  <unlink> asmodai: on second thought, my ex-girlfriend is a huge otaku
2008-07-12T10:22:02  <asmodai> hahaha
2008-07-12T10:22:05  <plaes> http://www.midgard-project.org/
2008-07-12T10:22:33  <unlink> asmodai: not the worst kind. but pretty close
2008-07-12T10:22:51  <asmodai> unlink: When they go that route, they go overboard typically.
2008-07-12T10:22:52  <unlink> asmodai: like, at least she knows that she doesn't know japanese
2008-07-12T10:23:08  <asmodai> I watch my anime very selectively for example.
2008-07-12T10:23:20  <asmodai> a lot of those fans just watch anything they can get their hands on
2008-07-12T10:23:31  <unlink> asmodai: i don't pretend to understand any aspect of her character
2008-07-12T10:23:37  * asmodai chuckles
2008-07-12T10:24:04  <unlink> i'm still developing a taste for anime
2008-07-12T10:25:11  <asmodai> D.Gray-man, Macross Frontier, Ghost Hunt, Ergo Proxy, Seirei no Moribito, Rental Magica, Shion no Ou, Hikari no Go, are some of the ones I watch(ed)
2008-07-12T10:26:29  <unlink> i've watched only things recommended to me ... most of them shounen anime
2008-07-12T10:26:43  <asmodai> My list is mostly shounen ^^
2008-07-12T10:26:50  <unlink> crappy encodes, too
2008-07-12T10:26:54  <unlink> with plenty of hardsubs
2008-07-12T10:27:15  <asmodai> Mmm, mine tend to be AVI (xvid) or mp4
2008-07-12T10:27:30  <unlink> ogm ftw
2008-07-12T10:27:34  <unlink> or mkv
2008-07-12T10:27:39  <asmodai> some are mkv
2008-07-12T10:27:49  * asmodai goes to install uim
2008-07-12T10:27:51  <unlink> デスノートは好きですか？
2008-07-12T10:28:46  <asmodai> I am totally misreading the katakana
2008-07-12T10:28:49  <asmodai> if I like what?
2008-07-12T10:29:09  <unlink> "desu nôto" desu
2008-07-12T10:29:18  * asmodai adds decent Japanese fonts at the top of his list to install
2008-07-12T10:29:20  <asmodai> ah, Death Note.
2008-07-12T10:29:22  <unlink> i.e., Death Note
2008-07-12T10:29:24  <asmodai> Watched it for a while
2008-07-12T10:29:28  <asmodai> and then I went: WTF?
2008-07-12T10:29:35  <unlink> lol
2008-07-12T10:29:42  <unlink> what do you mean?
2008-07-12T10:29:43  <asmodai> Too psychedelic for my tastes after episode 15 or 20
2008-07-12T10:29:52  <unlink> oh
2008-07-12T10:29:58  <asmodai> Just felt like it was without direction
2008-07-12T10:30:05  <unlink> yeah, i'm going to admit that it lost direction around there
2008-07-12T10:31:04  <unlink> so far i've shown a preference to shows that i have have running in the background while i work
2008-07-12T10:31:22  <unlink> death note being an exception
2008-07-12T10:32:49  <asmodai> It's a good way to pick up the sounds/intonation of the language
2008-07-12T10:33:13  <unlink> i've also got a vim session open for scribbling down words i think i should know
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2008-07-12T10:35:01  <unlink> there's one show i watch that's so simple i don't usually need subs to get what's going on
2008-07-12T10:35:33  <unlink> wikipedia says it's for seinen...wakaranai
2008-07-12T10:36:06  <unlink> sometimes you have to switch everything off, though
2008-07-12T10:36:17  <unlink> went through a 30-conflict merge earlier today
2008-07-12T10:40:02  <unlink> gotta run, ciao
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2008-07-12T11:01:49  <aa_> morn' everyone
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2008-07-12T11:03:09  <asmodai> heya aa
2008-07-12T11:03:55  <aa_> hey asmodai, how are things?
2008-07-12T11:04:13  <asmodai> In general ok, bit confused about a particular girl though.
2008-07-12T11:04:26  <aa_> yeeeikes
2008-07-12T11:05:01  <aa_> since I got married 2 years ago, I don't have to worry about these things. I advise it to anyone :)
2008-07-12T11:05:17  <plaes> getting married?
2008-07-12T11:05:22  <aa_> unless you didn't mean "like that"
2008-07-12T11:05:39  <aa_> plaes: hah, not again one is enough I think
2008-07-12T11:07:33  <asmodai> aa_: well, girl I asked for a drink a 6 months ago, she takes the same tram so I see her from time to time still, back then she wasn't ready for anything due to a relationship breaking up
2008-07-12T11:07:56  <asmodai> aa_: encountered her on Wednesday again, very nice talk and all that, day later she sends me a short email that's just confusing as hell
2008-07-12T11:08:45  <asmodai> hey hey, nice seeing you again.\n I am not so happy lately as I thought. Something has happened and I cannot shake it from my person. I do not know how to deal with it. Cannot tell my friends. I doubt they'd understand anyway.
2008-07-12T11:08:56  <plaes> asmodai: ask her out... :)
2008-07-12T11:09:11  <asmodai> plaes: Already sort of did with my reply yea
2008-07-12T11:09:19  <aa_> I would say "ask her to stay in"
2008-07-12T11:09:29  <aa_> asmodai: well, good luck :)
2008-07-12T11:09:32  <asmodai> aa_: I replied with:
2008-07-12T11:09:58  <asmodai> my first question would be: what has happened? Or if you prefer a personal talk, I got green and black tea here, next to coffee.
2008-07-12T11:10:08  <plaes> good one :)
2008-07-12T11:10:15  <aa_> oh yeah, that's the ticket!
2008-07-12T11:10:25  <plaes> but I never use email with love issues again..
2008-07-12T11:10:31  * aa_ bets asmodai is an awesome cook
2008-07-12T11:10:38  <asmodai> one friend of mine and a female friend of mine both hinted she might be referring to the fact that she does indeed dig me and is now ready for it
2008-07-12T11:10:49  <asmodai> aa_: I can cook decently well, given time.
2008-07-12T11:10:56  <asmodai> Which typically means: weekends.
2008-07-12T11:11:01  <aa_> right
2008-07-12T11:11:08  * asmodai is the master of small and fast meals currently.
2008-07-12T11:11:17  <aa_> well, about my wife, saturday is "taske her shopping day"
2008-07-12T11:11:25  <asmodai> heh
2008-07-12T11:11:29  <aa_> and so I bid you gentlemen farewell
2008-07-12T11:11:33  <asmodai> have fun!
2008-07-12T11:12:46  <plaes> :)
2008-07-12T11:14:43  <asmodai> of course, she has not responded back yet so it's occupying a thread of my mind :S
2008-07-12T11:15:58  <halex> killall asmodai-email-thoughts
2008-07-12T11:16:21  * asmodai keels over
2008-07-12T11:16:38  <aa_> hah, release the GIL
2008-07-12T11:16:43  <asmodai> Hey!
2008-07-12T11:16:46  <asmodai> you were gone
2008-07-12T11:16:47  <asmodai> shoo
2008-07-12T11:16:47  <asmodai> shoo
2008-07-12T11:16:49  <halex> hahaha
2008-07-12T11:16:54  * aa_ shoos
2008-07-12T11:17:19  <aa_> never underestimate the time it takes a beautiful woman to make herself even more beautiful ;D
2008-07-12T11:17:27  <asmodai> before you know it his wife complains about US holding him here.
2008-07-12T11:17:29  <asmodai> True.
2008-07-12T11:17:38  <asmodai> It's the time we have left to code that one feature.
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2008-07-12T12:33:52  <asmodai> mmm
2008-07-12T12:33:53  <asmodai> A positive leap second will be introduced at the end of December 2008.
2008-07-12T12:34:59  <ronny> oO
2008-07-12T12:39:26  <hads> Last one I remember I was in high school
2008-07-12T12:40:44  <hads> Wikipedia says there's been a few since then.
2008-07-12T12:41:58  <asmodai>  The difference between UTC and the International Atomic Time TAI is:
2008-07-12T12:41:58  <asmodai> 
2008-07-12T12:41:58  <asmodai>   from 2006 January 1, 0h UTC, to 2009 January 1  0h UTC  : UTC-TAI = - 33s
2008-07-12T12:41:58  <asmodai>   from 2009 January 1, 0h UTC, until further notice       : UTC-TAI = - 34s
2008-07-12T12:52:49  <ronny> http://www.richgentlemenhide.com/comic/noo-cul-er/ <- lol
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2008-07-12T12:58:55  <halex> ronny: the list was probably titled noo-cul-er, too.
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2008-07-12T15:14:46  <asmodai> People assume Git and Bazaar are the same. They're not. People assume that if Git and Bazaar have technical differences, then Git must have it right.
2008-07-12T15:14:51  <asmodai> Heh.
2008-07-12T15:17:13  <ronny> bazaar has it wrong
2008-07-12T15:17:46  <mitsuhiko> ronny: no
2008-07-12T15:17:51  <mitsuhiko> bazaar has it different
2008-07-12T15:17:57  <aat> i don't knwo squat about bazaar, but git is fantastic
2008-07-12T15:18:06  <mitsuhiko> they all are
2008-07-12T15:18:10  <asmodai> aat: Now git.
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2008-07-12T15:18:49  <ronny> mitsuhiko: well, bazaar actively does stupid things to slow stuff up
2008-07-12T15:19:17  <asmodai> U'Z ALL SUK, SVN + HG FTW!
2008-07-12T15:19:27  <mitsuhiko> ronny: it's not that slow any more
2008-07-12T15:19:34  <aat> heh
2008-07-12T15:19:37  <mitsuhiko> and bzr is way faster than subversion
2008-07-12T15:19:50  <ronny> mitsuhiko: you ever had to sync over net and no coffee at hand ?
2008-07-12T15:19:52  <asmodai> aat: Sup homie?
2008-07-12T15:20:04  <aat> workin' :(
2008-07-12T15:20:04  <aat> you?
2008-07-12T15:20:40  <asmodai> aat: lounging at home, but I somehow managed to fsck up a muscle in my left wrist this week, makes for a wonderful typing experience.
2008-07-12T15:20:48  <asmodai> Not to mention dropping shit when holding
2008-07-12T15:21:00  <ronny> the bazaar people do wrong thechnical things all the time
2008-07-12T15:21:01  <aat> shit hey. how?
2008-07-12T15:21:19  <mitsuhiko> ronny: i don't think so
2008-07-12T15:21:23  <asmodai> aat: I guess I hit it or something or a bad posture
2008-07-12T15:21:41  <aat> i have to admit, the few times i used bazaar i managed to cause tracebacks several times and completely corrupted the repository at least once
2008-07-12T15:21:49  <asmodai> aat: \o/
2008-07-12T15:21:51  <aat> asmodai: ah
2008-07-12T15:21:51  <ronny> mitsuhiko: alone the fact they choosed webdav for http sync puts then to the retards
2008-07-12T15:22:03  <mitsuhiko> ronny: no, that's clever
2008-07-12T15:22:08  <mitsuhiko> not fast, but clever
2008-07-12T15:22:39  <ronny> webdav is insanely stupid
2008-07-12T15:22:50  <mitsuhiko> come up with an alternative
2008-07-12T15:22:55  <mitsuhiko> that is not a home baked solution nobody supports
2008-07-12T15:23:29  <mitsuhiko> there are quite a few cool things in bzr no other distributed system has
2008-07-12T15:23:38  <ronny> mitsuhiko: like what ?
2008-07-12T15:23:42  <mitsuhiko> i agree that bzr was bashworthy two years ago, but not now
2008-07-12T15:23:57  <mitsuhiko> ronny: for example that you can rehash the repository once sha1 is broken without breaking stuff
2008-07-12T15:24:25  <mitsuhiko> or that files and directories have a unique id that survive renames
2008-07-12T15:24:34  <aat> i think git has pretty much won the dvcs wars
2008-07-12T15:24:34  <asmodai> aat: Why working?
2008-07-12T15:24:47  <asmodai> aat: Have never used, never will.
2008-07-12T15:24:49  <mitsuhiko> oh, and you can pgp sign revisions
2008-07-12T15:25:00  <aat> got a release on monday
2008-07-12T15:25:04  <aat> asmodai: why not?
2008-07-12T15:25:07  <mitsuhiko> aat: svn hasn't won the cvcs war either
2008-07-12T15:25:58  <asmodai> tainted by Linus, bitkeeper and so on.
2008-07-12T15:26:21  <aat> tainted how?
2008-07-12T15:26:25  <mitsuhiko> ronny: oh. and bzr supports pointing to unknown revisions. i think they even provide partial checkouts based on that
2008-07-12T15:26:41  <mitsuhiko> aat: git is missing the api :(
2008-07-12T15:26:54  <aat> yeah, that is annoying
2008-07-12T15:27:05  <asmodai> aat: He started it. :D
2008-07-12T15:27:44  <aat> asmodai: pfft. so you don't like git because linus is a wanker?
2008-07-12T15:29:00  <asmodai> aat: \o/
2008-07-12T15:29:11  <aat> heh
2008-07-12T15:29:12  * aat rolls his eyes
2008-07-12T15:29:14  <mitsuhiko> i somehow can understand that
2008-07-12T15:29:17  <asmodai> aat: Exactly! Nah, I used early versions and it was one big festering mess
2008-07-12T15:29:30  <mitsuhiko> i would never ever use web2py or a project with the same name ;)
2008-07-12T15:29:30  <asmodai> But I also have no love for Linus.
2008-07-12T15:29:41  <aat> mitsuhiko: hah
2008-07-12T15:29:45  <empty> mitsuhiko: what happened to the "not for VCS zealots" part :P
2008-07-12T15:29:57  <mitsuhiko> i wonder if mdp is monitoring the log files here :D
2008-07-12T15:30:00  <asmodai> empty: this channel? :)
2008-07-12T15:30:25  <empty> asmodai: hehe, yeah
2008-07-12T15:30:27  <ivan> mitsuhiko: unlikely, i think he'd self-destruct
2008-07-12T15:30:44  <mitsuhiko> empty: birkenfeld is off to america, he's not here to enforce it :D
2008-07-12T15:30:48  <asmodai> hahahaha
2008-07-12T15:31:05  <aa_> I like recent bzr
2008-07-12T15:31:05  <empty> mitsuhiko: oh wow.  what's he doing here?
2008-07-12T15:31:27  <asmodai> empty: He at least was listening to GvR with xorAxAx
2008-07-12T15:32:20  <aa_> ronny: and I certainly think it can't be called "slow"
2008-07-12T15:32:33  <asmodai> ~I'm unclean, a libertine~
2008-07-12T15:32:49  <ronny> aa_: it makes me wait, i hate having to wait
2008-07-12T15:32:51  <aa_> if you want to moan about bzr I would moan about the repeatedly backwards incompatible repo formats
2008-07-12T15:32:55  <ronny> git/hg dont do that
2008-07-12T15:33:13  <mitsuhiko> empty: i think it's ghop related
2008-07-12T15:33:34  <empty> mitsuhiko: oh cool
2008-07-12T15:33:35  <ivan> oh what will bzr do when your number of changes exceeds the capacity of the universe
2008-07-12T15:34:03  <aa_> ivan: invade another universe?
2008-07-12T15:34:15  <asmodai> Nah, just another country.,
2008-07-12T15:34:16  <ronny> i wonder if bzr has uuid collisions ;P
2008-07-12T15:34:28  * asmodai invades Iran for bad photoshopping
2008-07-12T15:34:31  <aa_> ronny: also, for the first time, hg did a weird breakage for me
2008-07-12T15:34:42  <aa_> asmodai: awww, poor Iran!
2008-07-12T15:34:50  <asmodai> You know what?
2008-07-12T15:34:58  <ronny> aa_: what did you do ?
2008-07-12T15:35:06  <asmodai> Fuck version control debates: use what you want and code DAMMIT!
2008-07-12T15:35:14  <asmodai> :D
2008-07-12T15:35:16  <aa_> ronny: still not sure, but it applied the reverse of a patch to a tree
2008-07-12T15:35:28  <ronny> oO
2008-07-12T15:35:44  <aa_> and I didn't commit it or anything, because there were no outgoing patches
2008-07-12T15:35:57  <asmodai> aa_: Remind me, are you involved with arabeyes at all?
2008-07-12T15:36:00  <aa_> I just hg update from r-1
2008-07-12T15:36:10  <aa_> asmodai: the fonts? no, not at all
2008-07-12T15:36:23  <aa_> ronny: anyway, it was so awesomely weird
2008-07-12T15:36:30  <mitsuhiko> ronny: why not? hg has sha collisions ;)
2008-07-12T15:37:00  <ronny> yeah
2008-07-12T15:37:43  <aa_> anyway, I am not sure it is reasonable (any more) to hate on bzr
2008-07-12T15:42:55  <ronny> aa_: it makes me wait, and it lacks tha apis i need
2008-07-12T15:57:18  <ivan> the best VCS is tar
2008-07-12T15:57:22  <ivan> it will never ever screw you over
2008-07-12T15:58:07  <ivan> and you don't even have to comment your changes
2008-07-12T15:58:31  <asmodai> pax!
2008-07-12T15:58:34  * asmodai chuckles
2008-07-12T15:58:42  <ivan> NO PAX
2008-07-12T15:58:43  <ivan> PTSD OKAY
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2008-07-12T17:27:00  <aat> mitsuhiko: have you thought of making a trac plugin to allow linking to sphinx elements?
2008-07-12T17:27:38  <aat> presumably it could use the pickle dump to link directly to classes, functions, methods, etc.
2008-07-12T17:27:41  <mitsuhiko> aat: i thought about a sphinx builder that can generate documentation and display it in trac
2008-07-12T17:28:14  <mitsuhiko> i talked with cmlenz about it some time ago, but somehow i wasn't that interested in it afterwards :)
2008-07-12T17:28:24  <mitsuhiko> he's quite good at killing some ideas
2008-07-12T17:28:30  <asmodai> aat: DONUT DISTRAK TEH MITSUHIKO
2008-07-12T17:28:30  <aat> heh
2008-07-12T17:28:48  <asmodai> He's on a date parsing quest :P
2008-07-12T17:29:04  <aat> displaying directly in trac would be great too
2008-07-12T17:29:22  <aat> being able to link directly to class docs in commit messages would be fantastic too
2008-07-12T17:30:24  <aat> mitsuhiko: how/why did cmlenz kill your idea? :(
2008-07-12T17:30:25  <mitsuhiko> aat: start it, i guide you ;)
2008-07-12T17:30:27  <asmodai> aat: Cute ideas :)
2008-07-12T17:30:32  <aat> bah!
2008-07-12T17:30:39  <asmodai> aat: DO IT
2008-07-12T17:30:40  <asmodai> :D
2008-07-12T17:30:43  <aat> hah :P
2008-07-12T17:30:49  * asmodai grins
2008-07-12T17:30:49  <aat> if only i had the time...
2008-07-12T17:30:57  <asmodai> Now there's a familiar problem.
2008-07-12T17:31:08  <mitsuhiko> aat: i think the problem was/is that sphinx requires building of documentation and the current (epydoc?) solution on teo is generated on the fly
2008-07-12T17:31:49  <mitsuhiko> .oO( i still want by general purpose ICommitHook )
2008-07-12T17:32:16  <aat> me too. i'm not sure why cboos isn't keen on that idea
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2008-07-12T17:33:57  <mitsuhiko> aat: wouldn't be too hard, i have had a patch in the past for that
2008-07-12T17:34:10  <aat> yeah, same here
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2008-07-12T22:21:51  <aa_> ooh :) http://imtf.appspot.com/
2008-07-12T22:22:17  <aa_> that's quite exciting and scarily easy
2008-07-12T22:23:49  <empty> wow
2008-07-12T22:24:08  <empty> aa_: any chance you'll share the code?
2008-07-12T22:24:27  <aa_> empty: it's literally hello world from werkzeug tutorial
2008-07-12T22:24:37  <empty> aa_: and it just works.
2008-07-12T22:24:44  <empty> cool
2008-07-12T22:24:48  * empty hasn't tried it
2008-07-12T22:24:53  <aa_> empty: well, what I did was symlink the site-packages modules for werkzeug and j2
2008-07-12T22:25:04  <aa_> and the app uploader just copies the whole lot
2008-07-12T22:25:08  <aa_> and then it just works
2008-07-12T22:25:13  <empty> ah
2008-07-12T22:25:16  <empty> makes sense
2008-07-12T22:25:23  <aa_> there must be prettier ways of doing it of course
2008-07-12T22:25:30  <empty> aa_: well thanks for sharing
2008-07-12T22:26:27  <ronny> sweet
2008-07-12T22:26:52  <aa_> ronny: now working on glashammer + appengine
2008-07-12T22:27:21  <ronny> i dislike appengine
2008-07-12T22:27:41  <ronny> its a please come in, and never get out thing
2008-07-12T22:27:55  <ronny> expect if you are using web2py of course ;P
2008-07-12T22:28:03  <ronny> you may cry now
2008-07-12T22:28:36  <aa_> ronny: you dislike everything
2008-07-12T22:29:18  <ronny> aa_: nah, i like hg, python, pida, porn
2008-07-12T22:29:59  <apollo13> the internet is for porn ;)
2008-07-12T22:30:13  <apollo13> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645
2008-07-12T22:34:00  <empty> ronny: agreed
2008-07-12T22:34:04  <empty> well with ae
2008-07-12T22:34:41  <mitsuhiko> apollo13: the internet is for "pay a shitload of money for roaming if you go abroad"
2008-07-12T22:34:54  <apollo13> muhaha
2008-07-12T22:35:41  <asmodai> empty: heh
2008-07-12T22:35:54  <asmodai> empty: www.rangaku.org is what I am building on Werkzeug ;)
2008-07-12T22:36:05  * asmodai needs to push his current lab version online tomorrow
2008-07-12T22:36:27  <empty> asmodai: that's nice
2008-07-12T22:36:34  <mitsuhiko> pctp.plurk.com is now fully werkzeug + babel + sqlalchemy + jinja2 powered :)
2008-07-12T22:36:51  <empty> wow
2008-07-12T22:36:58  <empty> mitsuhiko: you work for plurk right?
2008-07-12T22:37:05  <mitsuhiko> worked :)
2008-07-12T22:37:12  <empty> ah, congratulations :P
2008-07-12T22:37:20  <mitsuhiko> hehe
2008-07-12T22:37:41  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: aside from Babel mine is werkzeug + genshi + sqlalchemy + simplejson
2008-07-12T22:37:57  <mitsuhiko> yes indeed. there is simplejson involved too
2008-07-12T22:38:27  <apollo13> mitsuhiko: you already quit?
2008-07-12T22:38:30  <mitsuhiko> yes
2008-07-12T22:38:42  <mitsuhiko> apollo13: you want to work for them? they are looking for a python ninja
2008-07-12T22:38:53  <apollo13> work with ali?
2008-07-12T22:38:58  <apollo13> no thanks :/
2008-07-12T22:38:58  <mitsuhiko> amir :)
2008-07-12T22:39:05  <apollo13> common typo^^
2008-07-12T22:39:39  <apollo13> mitsuhiko: language without a yellow, leech-like, odd thing  <-- genious :)
2008-07-12T22:39:47  <apollo13> speaking your  *
2008-07-12T22:39:57  <aa_> working with amir must be fun
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2008-07-12T22:41:04  <ronny> mitsuhiko: where do you work now ?
2008-07-12T22:41:23  <mitsuhiko> i don't work currently
2008-07-12T22:41:57  <apollo13> remember: he is lazy
2008-07-12T22:42:03  * apollo13 runs
2008-07-12T22:42:06  <ronny> hope you dont have to starve
2008-07-12T22:42:16  <apollo13> lol
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2008-07-12T22:48:33  <apollo13> mitsuhiko: how many people are working on plurk now?
2008-07-12T22:49:01  <empty> x - 1
2008-07-12T22:49:26  <mitsuhiko> apollo13: 5
2008-07-12T22:49:53  <empty> wow that's not a lot
2008-07-12T22:50:06  <apollo13> outch, and amir is the expert?
2008-07-12T22:50:58  <apollo13> yeah jacob checked my patches in, me goes updating django and inyoka, let's see when it breaks again^^
2008-07-12T22:52:24  <ronny> empty: well, its fit for the project
2008-07-12T22:52:43  <empty> ronny: probably, yeah.
2008-07-12T22:52:49  <ronny> its not a enterprise cms ;P
2008-07-12T22:52:53  <empty> hehe
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2008-07-12T23:06:00  <mitsuhiko> apollo13: you don't have to use setuptools for easy_install support
2008-07-12T23:06:19  <apollo13> hmm but setuptools are cool ;)
2008-07-12T23:06:28  <apollo13> and entrypoints require them, or?
2008-07-12T23:06:48  <apollo13> I think setuptools require an internet connection and that's the point...
2008-07-12T23:08:42  <mitsuhiko> entrypoint definitions require setuptools yes
2008-07-12T23:08:52  <mitsuhiko> and no, setuptools does not necessarily require a network connection
2008-07-12T23:09:10  <apollo13> well if setuptools aren't installed they do
2008-07-12T23:09:10  <mitsuhiko> it does for dependency auto-discovery and self upgrades
2008-07-12T23:09:18  <apollo13> and distutils is in core...
2008-07-12T23:09:21  <mitsuhiko> apollo13: no, that's a different thing
2008-07-12T23:09:26  <mitsuhiko> that's ez_setup
2008-07-12T23:09:28  <apollo13> hmm
2008-07-12T23:09:39  <mitsuhiko> ez_setup is a setuptools bootstrapping script
2008-07-12T23:10:01  <mitsuhiko> i still have it mentioned in the setup.py files but i have to agree with cmlenz that it's nowadays just painful
2008-07-12T23:13:11  <mitsuhiko> s0undt3ch: do you have the link to the latest version of the trac-sqlalchemy bridge?
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2008-07-12T23:46:55  <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: hmm, wait
2008-07-12T23:47:04  <asmodai> hah! Berlin - Take My Breath Away
2008-07-12T23:47:19  <asmodai> my playlist feels like a trip to the 80s
2008-07-12T23:47:38  <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79157/
2008-07-12T23:48:05  <mitsuhiko> thanksalot
2008-07-12T23:48:27  <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: lemme get real latest to you
2008-07-12T23:48:37  <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: or better lemme release it to pypi
2008-07-12T23:50:00  <mitsuhiko> s0undt3ch: why not trachacks?
2008-07-12T23:50:40  <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: sure, but now it's on pypi ;)
2008-07-12T23:51:05  <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/TracSqlAlchemyBridge/0.1.0
2008-07-12T23:51:19  <mitsuhiko> nice :)
2008-07-12T23:51:29  <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: I'll create a TH page for it
2008-07-12T23:51:34  * asmodai is still aiming to SA'ize Trac
2008-07-12T23:52:11  * s0undt3ch says asmodai should continue!
2008-07-12T23:52:56  <mitsuhiko> does anyone know if i can change a constraint in postgres from on delete restrict to on delete cascade without dropping and recreating it?
2008-07-12T23:53:30  <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: what type should this package be in TH?
2008-07-12T23:53:50  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: not sure
2008-07-12T23:53:53  <s0undt3ch> mitsuhiko: integration?
2008-07-12T23:53:58  <mitsuhiko> s0undt3ch: guess yes
2008-07-12T23:57:37  <asmodai> mitsuhiko: <mutex> so, a few minutes on a django database, and several more minutes on the front end: http://c.r00t-servers.net:8765/foods/
2008-07-12T23:57:45  <asmodai> pretty sweet what those google charts can do
2008-07-12T23:58:18  <asmodai> I recently converted him to the Python side of things :)