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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: mmm |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: So the Jheck are indeed the Pack |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: but now I still wonder, who's Bugg (unless they're covering that in the last 30 pages I have left) |
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<asmodai> |
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-firefox-tries-to-retrieve-your-file.jpg \o/ |
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<Kaelten> |
hrm |
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<Kaelten> |
anyone know why werkzeug's reloader wouldn't catch changes in files not in the main project? |
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<birkenfeld> |
asmodai: they are... |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: mmm |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: Funny how both Oponn and Errant can live |
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<Kaelten> |
I consolidated my code that uses werkzeug into a seprate project |
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<Kaelten> |
but when I change code that is in the other project the reloader doesn't kick in |
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<birkenfeld> |
asmodai: what's confusing me is that somewhere in the book somebody say the Errant was Forkrul Assail |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - uh.. "project"? |
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<Kaelten> |
package? |
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<Kaelten> |
sandwitch? |
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<Kaelten> |
which* |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: Eh? Don't think so. |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - werkzeug will happily detect changes in any files you've imported |
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<Kaelten> |
must you argue over semantics :P |
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<birkenfeld> |
hmm |
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<birkenfeld> |
did I dream that? |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - this is not semantics, there is no concept of a project |
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<Kaelten> |
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/84044/ |
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<Kaelten> |
well thats the code |
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<Kaelten> |
when I change dring.settings it doesn't reload |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: only forkrul assail I saw was Serenity |
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<birkenfeld> |
yes |
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<Kaelten> |
er, wth, I restarted the process and not it is... |
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<Kaelten> |
now* |
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<asmodai> |
oh |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: wait a sec |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: I even made a note on it :| |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: http://malazan.in-nomine.org/wiki/The_Holds |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - thy must always clear thy pyc files |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: This begs investigation! |
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<birkenfeld> |
asmodai: indeed. now, if I had the text in an electronic form... :( |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: heh |
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<asmodai> |
xkcd++ |
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<asmodai> |
ivan: yea |
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<asmodai> |
err |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: yea |
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<asmodai> |
http://www.castlecrashers.com/ |
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<asmodai> |
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/c/castlecrashersxboxlivearcade/ |
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<asmodai> |
better link |
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<prencher> |
it's supposed to be really shit :/ |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - it apparently suffers from savegame corruption or something like that |
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<asmodai> |
prencher: haha, seriously? |
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<asmodai> |
Wonderful! |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - just found it.. it's more of an edge case it seems.. if you play the game on a different xbox than the one you bought it on, it refuses to save |
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<prencher> |
it also has issues with stalling in multiplayer / co-op games |
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<prencher> |
some more details here: http://www.giantbomb.com/news/castle-crashed/173/ |
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<asmodai> |
well, the graphics looked kinda cute |
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<prencher> |
mm, it's supposed to be a good game if you like that kind of gameplay |
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<prencher> |
just too many bugs |
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<asmodai> |
makes you wonder if they tested it |
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<birkenfeld> |
how do you test a game? let people play it! |
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<Kaelten> |
I don't know I've played castlecrashers for hours this last week, its great ;) |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: Valve does that, they pluck people off the street to allow them to play their alpha/beta games |
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<prencher> |
you wouldnt think that to be the case, judging by the general quality of their launch products |
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<asmodai> |
I never had much problems to be honest. |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - oh, they usually run fine |
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<prencher> |
but they always have tons of patches to fix balance issues and glitches and such.. especially after steam |
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<asmodai> |
Sure. |
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<prencher> |
much more than other devs.. seems they've gotten a bit too comfortable about being able to push out 500 patches a week through steam |
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<asmodai> |
But, like Blizzard, they maintain their stuff for a looooong time. |
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<prencher> |
it's good and bad |
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<hads> |
Hahaha, Microsoft was granted a patent on the page up/down keys |
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<prencher> |
better them than anybody else |
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<prencher> |
they've as yet not patent trolled |
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<prencher> |
in fact a lot of their patent portfolio seems to be preemptive, stuff that'd never hold up.. just so others cant sue with it |
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<hads> |
It's just amusing, there's such obvious prior art. |
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<prencher> |
sure, just saying |
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<hads> |
Yeah sure. It wasn't so much the Microsoft bit as the page up/down bit. |
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<hads> |
Actually, more the patent system that can grant things like that. |
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<asmodai> |
haha, I wonder how people react when they visit NL for the first time |
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<asmodai> |
and it's the first Monday of a new month, 12:00 |
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<asmodai> |
and nationwide all alarm systems are being tested |
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<asmodai> |
do any of your countries do this as well? |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - yep |
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<prencher> |
i don't recall the date, but |
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<prencher> |
i think its a thursday though |
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<apollo13> |
asmodai: every sunday 12:00 |
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<apollo13> |
or was it saturday? hmm |
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<asmodai> |
ok, so perhaps it's standard in many European countries |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - have to protect against ze germans |
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<asmodai> |
Exactly! |
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<asmodai> |
One Anschluess was more than enough. |
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<prencher> |
nowadays we use them to protect against austrians with an affinity for mono |
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<asmodai> |
True. |
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<asmodai> |
That's even more disturbing. |
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<asmodai> |
live or die trying! |
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<asmodai> |
mmm, Blizzard aiming also for a built in threat meter. I like my Omen well enough thankyouverymuch. |
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<asmodai> |
Add Pitbull + Quartz + Grid and me is happy. |
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<asmodai> |
Oh, and Fubar |
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<asmodai> |
p/w 14 |
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<prencher> |
'lo grumpy |
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<grumpy> |
grumpy runs for door, bed actually .... ;-) |
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<prencher> |
heh |
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<prencher> |
soddin aussies |
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<asmodai> |
heh |
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<grumpy> |
Hey, its 10:43 here. Baby is actually sleeping well and will hopefully get some sleep tonight. |
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<asmodai> |
grumpy: Famous last words, dad. |
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<grumpy> |
We will see. Goodnight. :-) |
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<prencher> |
right up there with "what could possibly go wrong" |
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<asmodai> |
"Oops" |
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<prencher> |
hm, anybody else getting an error accessing werkzeug.pocoo.org? |
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<asmodai> |
loads for me |
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<prencher> |
yeah coming through now, dns was being tehgays |
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<asmodai> |
How does re's re.UNICODE determine the locale used? through a locale.setlocale() or? |
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<birkenfeld> |
asmodai: it doesn't. do you mean re.LOCALE? |
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<asmodai> |
well |
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<asmodai> |
I have a string with an "a in it, and I am not managing to make \w include it. I guess part of it comes from not making sense of "dependent on the Unicode character properties database". |
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<asmodai> |
dependent in what sense? |
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<damjan> |
asmodai: can you make a short test case? |
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<birkenfeld> |
asmodai: actually, you're right that re talks about the "unicode locale" |
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<birkenfeld> |
whatever that is |
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<birkenfeld> |
asmodai: anyway |
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<birkenfeld> |
>>> re.match("\\w", u"ä", re.UNICODE) |
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<birkenfeld> |
<_sre.SRE_Match object at 0xb7c79d08> |
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<birkenfeld> |
do you, by chance, not use a Unicode string? |
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<damjan> |
birkenfeld: though, I think Python DOES call setlocale on a interactive session and not on a script |
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<birkenfeld> |
damjan: uh? |
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<asmodai> |
part of it: (?P<name>["\'\w\s]+),', re.UNICODE |
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<damjan> |
birkenfeld: but your example works in a script too |
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<asmodai> |
mmm |
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<birkenfeld> |
damjan: you need to call setlocale() yourself before using re.LOCALE |
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<asmodai> |
I think I might know what's wrong |
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<birkenfeld> |
re.UNICODE doesn't do anything with what is commonly called "locale" |
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<asmodai> |
I'm opening the file as normal |
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<damjan> |
birkenfeld: ok ok |
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<asmodai> |
so I guess that "a is being put in a string as a Python byte string escapee. |
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<birkenfeld> |
escapee? |
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<asmodai> |
\x64 |
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<asmodai> |
that stuff |
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<birkenfeld> |
you mean it's encoded :) |
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<asmodai> |
escape sequence :P |
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<damjan> |
is that latin1 |
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<asmodai> |
so that makes re.UNICODE useless without a proper u'' |
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<birkenfeld> |
well, you should decode it before |
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<damjan> |
asmodai: you can use codecs.open |
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<asmodai> |
it's an utf-8 file yea |
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<asmodai> |
my bad |
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<asmodai> |
Should've figured. |
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<asmodai> |
that works a charm |
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<asmodai> |
after using codecs.open() |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: My interpretation: re.UNICODE's description uses the UCD to determine the general properties of characters such as 'whitespace', 'letter'... |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: so essentially a catchall for all languages |
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<asmodai> |
since re.LOCALE most likely limits it to the collation defined for said locale. |
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<asmodai> |
not 100% sure |
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<CIA-38> |
python-doctools: georg.brandl * r66107 /doctools/trunk/sphinx/templates/modindex.html: When building html help, no scripts are embedded. |
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<zooko> |
Folks: does pygments (trac plugin) think that a file named "Makefile" should be highlighted as "make" language, but a file named "GNUmakefile" should not? |
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<zooko> |
http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/browser/Makefile |
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<zooko> |
http://allmydata.org/trac/darcs-2/browser/GNUmakefile |
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<birkenfeld> |
zooko: it looks like that |
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<birkenfeld> |
fixed |
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<CIA-38> |
Pygments: gbrandl trunk * 652:17bcb03f97df /pygments/lexers/text.py: Add GNUmakefile alias. |
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<zooko> |
birkenfeld: thanks! |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: ah |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: Mael |
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<dennda> |
Hm... |
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<dennda> |
EnTeQuAk: I am trying to think of a usecase for allowing app.connect_event(event, callback) being called with the same event and same callback several times |
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<EnTeQuAk> |
dennda, there is no usecase for that imho |
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<dennda> |
EnTeQuAk: Then why does the EventManager allow it? Shall I come up with a patch? |
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<dennda> |
I don't know if one should prohibit it by design, tho |
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<birkenfeld> |
asmodai: quite a nice god, isn't he? |
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<dennda> |
I think I will ask mitsuhiko once he has a connection to the internetZ |
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<prencher> |
isn't he away on vacation again or sommat? |
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<prencher> |
you know these things birkenfeld |
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<dennda> |
yeah but he has an eee |
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<prencher> |
those have internet? |
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<prencher> |
by wire and tincan? |
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<dennda> |
hehe |
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<dennda> |
actually there'll be an umts version soon |
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<prencher> |
msi wind is where its at |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: for an elder one, yes |
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<fontaime> |
is there a fairly simple way to make werkzeug.Template.render() html-escape all $variables? |
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<fontaime> |
perhaps using werkzeug.utils.escape()? |
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<fontaime> |
it seems like the major parts are present; I just don't know how to connect them. |
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<davidcramer> |
Would you guys recommend any webserver software beyond apache, lighttpd, tinyhttpd (static only), and nginx? |
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<davidcramer> |
Oh, and anything besides jinja/mako/genshi that's worthwhile? |
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<apollo13> |
nope? |
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<davidcramer> |
oh wait, what does trac use |
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<davidcramer> |
and is it crap? |
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<davidcramer> |
hrm... |
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<apollo13> |
for templating? genshi |
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<davidcramer> |
im tempted to throw in a slide on how to setup Jinja |
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<davidcramer> |
:P |
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<davidcramer> |
I think I will, haha |
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<apollo13> |
wth are you talking about? |
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<prencher> |
his supposed talk on high performance django, something he knows nothing of |
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<apollo13> |
ha, I think my freerunner will arrive tomorrow *finally* |
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<apollo13> |
calm down... |
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<davidcramer> |
prencher: why do you talk so much shit? |
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<apollo13> |
both of you |
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<davidcramer> |
I'll calm down when the guy stfu |
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<davidcramer> |
obviously he has something up his ass, because he insists on trolling |
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<apollo13> |
we know that you don't like each other |
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<davidcramer> |
I dont even know who the hell prencher is |
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<davidcramer> |
he just randomly talks shit to me |
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<davidcramer> |
If you walk up to someone in real life and tell them they are a stupid fat piece of shit, do you expect them to reply with "cool, thanks" ? |
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<apollo13> |
btw high performace and django don't suit ;) |
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<davidcramer> |
apollo13: I'd argue the other way |
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<davidcramer> |
the talks more about how to use DJango properly |
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<davidcramer> |
so it can perform |
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<apollo13> |
ah |
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<apollo13> |
To bad I can't come to djangocon |
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<apollo13> |
but luckily all tracks are taped |
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<davidcramer> |
I'm not quite sure what the point of a con with such a low attendee limit is |
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<davidcramer> |
but oh well |
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<apollo13> |
the have no experience yet in holding such conferences, better start low and see how it works out |
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<apollo13> |
That's how I understood it |
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<davidcramer> |
ya I guess that makes sense |
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<davidcramer> |
either way its pretty good PR |
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<davidcramer> |
I think I can stick in a slide about Jinja just because it's faster than Django.. that sounds legit to me :) |
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<apollo13> |
... |
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<apollo13> |
besides that the template engine isn't your bottleneck in 95% of the time |
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<davidcramer> |
ya of course :) |
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<davidcramer> |
but its like comparing mod_python to mod_wsgi sort of |
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<davidcramer> |
mod_wsgi can give you a pretty big improvement |
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<davidcramer> |
and if you combine a bunch of the small changes, you end up with a large improvement :) |
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<davidcramer> |
besides that, the only *real* issues I can come up with that are specifically handled within Django are the ORM and Caching |
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