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<ivan> |
why is Cache-Control: public hard-coded in werkzeug? |
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<ivan> |
oh that's just SharedDataMiddleware, sorry |
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<asmodai> |
birkenfeld: Curdle and Telorast :) |
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<maze> |
hm, any clues as of why I get this message? [Tue Sep 02 09:49:14 2008] [error] /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Babel-0.9.3-py2.4.egg/babel/__init__.py:33: UserWarning: Module textpress was already imported from /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/textpress/__init__.pyc, but /var/www/tehmaze.com/new is being added to sys.path |
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<plaes> |
birkenfeld: does sphinx support some kind of math typesetting? |
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<asmodai> |
silly folk! |
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<asmodai> |
So quiet :( |
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<ronny> |
asmodai: infidel, don't break the sacred time of the idle |
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<asmodai> |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/31/AR2008083101759.html |
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<asmodai> |
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=LlF8APEkh-E |
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<prencher> |
"All the money spent on Welfare could have been used for planetary protection but instead we all get to die with the scum. " wow. impeccable logic |
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<asmodai> |
:D |
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<Kaelten> |
g'morning |
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<asmodai> |
Heya Kaelten |
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<asmodai> |
What's shaking? |
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<Kaelten> |
css and other forms of insanity |
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<Kaelten> |
you? |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: was trying to learn some basic Lua |
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<asmodai> |
and epic failing on something simple |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<Kaelten> |
well feel free to ask questions |
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<asmodai> |
ah |
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<asmodai> |
duh, fixed it |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: heh, I was doing 'print ...' |
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<asmodai> |
instead of print() |
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<Kaelten> |
heh |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: been messing with my log parser |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: for wowcombatlog |
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<Kaelten> |
cool |
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<asmodai> |
Python of course ^^ |
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<Kaelten> |
heh |
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<Kaelten> |
I did a css dropdown for curseforge |
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<asmodai> |
oh, and? |
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<Kaelten> |
but I don't like one of the behaviors |
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<Kaelten> |
well actually its for the new wowace |
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<Kaelten> |
but same softwares |
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<Kaelten> |
the dropdowns work great, but when it expands it pushes over other top level navs |
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<Kaelten> |
http://beta.wowace.com/projects/test-charlie/ |
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<Kaelten> |
for example looks like http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a5dd54589344a935b0f99139d1ef076a.png |
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<Kaelten> |
when expanded |
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<Kaelten> |
If I could stop the other navs from getting pushed over it'd be perfect |
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<asmodai> |
ah |
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<asmodai> |
nice idea for the navigation |
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<asmodai> |
frostweave cloth? :| |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - what about it |
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<asmodai> |
Oh, was just amazed to see some new cloths |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - you've probably spotted them, but then links in the footer still poin to curseforge |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: ya I know |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - you get the first aid for them as soon as you enter northrend, so no grind this time |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: any idea about my pushover issue? |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: btw, I find wowdb.com to respond slowly in general :S |
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<Kaelten> |
asmodai: really? |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - best get used to the whole print() thing |
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<prencher> |
theres no print ... in 3000 |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - havent been following chat, what issue? |
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<Kaelten> |
http://beta.wowace.com/projects/test-charlie/ |
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<Kaelten> |
looks like http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a5dd54589344a935b0f99139d1ef076a.png when the dropdown is expanded |
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<prencher> |
uh...kay? |
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<Kaelten> |
not sure if there is anyway around it since its using nested uls |
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<Kaelten> |
the issue is its pushing over the other nav items |
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<prencher> |
what the hell are you talking about dude |
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<Kaelten> |
the drodown |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: I'll try again when I get home, perhaps it's some routing to the site |
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<Kaelten> |
drop* |
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<prencher> |
i see no dropdowns on the page, how am i supposed to know what you're talking about |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<prencher> |
a screenshot doesnt exactly show behaviour |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: reload the page now |
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<prencher> |
aha |
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<Kaelten> |
the parent ul is expanding to the width of the children |
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<Kaelten> |
not sure if there is any trick to stop that |
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<prencher> |
it's hard to say.. is the dropdown position:absolute? |
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<Kaelten> |
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/84167/ |
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<Kaelten> |
thats the relevant css |
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<prencher> |
no idea |
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<Kaelten> |
:S |
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<Kaelten> |
k |
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<prencher> |
you'd need to find some jquery / css guru, or experiment your way out of it, like i do |
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<prencher> |
there's probably a jquery library that can do dropdowns for you |
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<Kaelten> |
ya, this is css based though, no javascript |
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<prencher> |
surely there is javascript to trigger it? |
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<Kaelten> |
nope |
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<Kaelten> |
all css |
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<prencher> |
hm, never seen it done that way before |
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<Kaelten> |
it'll require jscript under IE but otherwise its scriptless |
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<Kaelten> |
I'm hoping IE8 does proper :hover support |
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<prencher> |
tbh, i'd just do it using jquery and get on with your life :P |
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<prencher> |
instead of having N workarounds for browsers that wont submit |
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<prencher> |
since you say its all css though.. i don't think you can solve it |
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<prencher> |
the reason being that the parent element will grow to accomodate the children |
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<Kaelten> |
right thats what I figured |
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<prencher> |
maybe you could place the actual top menu items using position aboslute and left: X px though |
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<prencher> |
but at that point, meh |
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<prencher> |
if you place files, images etc. using position: absolute and left though, they shouldn't get affected |
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<prencher> |
might need to use z-index too |
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<Kaelten> |
hrm |
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<david`bgk> |
birkenfeld, are there any plan to include a comment/ticket system in sphinx? |
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<ronny> |
ouh, isnt that a BIT out of scope ? |
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<ronny> |
given that sphinx is for generating offline documentation |
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<maddiin> |
Kaelten: that works for me http://paste.pocoo.org/show/84181/, but as you said, ie needs some extra "love" |
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<david`bgk> |
ronny, I agree but this is a missing feature for me, often you'd like to let readers comment your doc like gcode do |
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<Kaelten> |
ronny: doesn't sphinx build webpages too though? |
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<Kaelten> |
or is that just static output served through a webserver? |
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<asmodai> |
heh |
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<asmodai> |
so my neighbour rings my doorbell |
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<asmodai> |
"do you have toilet paper? I'm totally out" |
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<prencher> |
i don't want to know the state of his behind during this question |
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<prencher> |
just thought i'd be preemptive about that |
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<asmodai> |
I think he had yet to start |
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<prencher> |
oh here we go Kaelten - http://www.google.com/chrome |
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<Kaelten> |
oh, wow |
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<xorAxAx> |
even translated to .de |
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<xorAxAx> |
huh, only a mail field |
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<Kaelten> |
lol all I get is a chance to sign up for more news |
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<Kaelten> |
xorAxAx: on mac/linux? |
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<xorAxAx> |
http://code.google.com/chromium/ |
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<xorAxAx> |
Kaelten: yes, linux |
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<Kaelten> |
ya I'm guessing download links only show for windows |
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<prencher> |
indeed |
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<prencher> |
it's xp/vista only for now it says |
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<Kaelten> |
hrm they have build instructions for mac |
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<mq> |
Kaelten: if you are able to build it, tell me :D |
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<Kaelten> |
heh |
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<Kaelten> |
gclient? |
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<xorAxAx> |
windows only, indeed |
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<prencher> |
it seems to work well enough |
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<prencher> |
ui looks quite nice and is smooth |
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<xorAxAx> |
http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/getting-started |
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<Kaelten> |
its does a 77 on acid3 |
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<dennda> |
nice build requirements |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - it's just webkit ,i believe |
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<Kaelten> |
I think webkit does 75 currently |
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<prencher> |
i dont think they've changed anything about webkit itself.. they have their own JS VM though |
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<Kaelten> |
ya which a lot of acid3 is js |
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<prencher> |
oh is it? |
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<prencher> |
i thought it was pure css |
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<dennda> |
hm not the prettiest UI I have seen |
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<Kaelten> |
iirc it is a good chunk js |
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<prencher> |
dennda - i quite like it |
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<dennda> |
the videos aren't available anymore |
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<prencher> |
i find it funny they argue the case that tabs logicially go above the address bar, which is true |
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<Kaelten> |
It looks like google has its own svn cl wrapper |
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<prencher> |
but then they put the bookmarks toolbar inside each tab |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: lol |
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<Kaelten> |
well really that makes sense in a way as well |
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<prencher> |
in the sense it'll by default open in that tab, yes |
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<Kaelten> |
hrm they say its going to take about an hour to download |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher indeed, also makes sense withtheir separate process model |
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<dennda> |
If you only want to look at the source code, you'll need at least 1.6 GB of hard drive space available. If you want to build it, you will need just under 10 GB of space, including all the object files and executables. |
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<dennda> |
WTF |
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<Kaelten> |
holy shit |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<Kaelten> |
I don't even know if I have that much |
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<prencher> |
webkit..is...huge? |
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<prencher> |
apparently? |
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<Kaelten> |
possible |
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<Kaelten> |
lol it says the ui hasn't been worked on yet in mac |
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<prencher> |
their whole argument that it's memory friendly is pretty fud |
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<prencher> |
it can better deal with leaks, but.. |
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<prencher> |
i rarely see my firefox go over 30, let alone above 50 |
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<prencher> |
fresh chrome has two procs using 11mb and 20mb respectively |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: I routinely see firefox in the triple digets |
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<Kaelten> |
digits* |
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<Kaelten> |
right now its using 240MB |
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<Kaelten> |
FF3 that is |
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<dennda> |
FF3 just ate 33,5% of my 3 gig ram today :-) |
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<Kaelten> |
ya I had it over 550 earlier today |
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<dennda> |
(with one open tab) |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<dennda> |
On what platform are you using it? |
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<Kaelten> |
I'm on mac |
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<Kaelten> |
leopard |
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<Kaelten> |
I run a decent number of plugins however and do a lot of development with it |
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<Kaelten> |
so I'm not tooo suprised |
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<Kaelten> |
its still better than FF2 |
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<Kaelten> |
which hit me up for an addition 300-600MB in most cases |
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<dennda> |
I meant "where do you run chromium"? |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - it's rendering is way nice |
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<prencher> |
it also seems pretty memory friendly .. i think a lot of whats showing is shared memory |
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<prencher> |
the main proc is pretty hungry though |
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<Kaelten> |
heh |
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<Kaelten> |
the js engine is hella fast |
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<prencher> |
is it? |
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<prencher> |
it doesnt really feel that fast |
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<Kaelten> |
looks to be 2-4 times |
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<Kaelten> |
FF3 |
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<Kaelten> |
hehe |
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<Kaelten> |
we hit up a bench mark test site for it |
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<Kaelten> |
its about 10x times faster than ie8b2 |
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<Kaelten> |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGmO7Oximw8 |
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<Kaelten> |
they make a decent point |
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<dennda> |
I like the completion for Sites I havn't visited yet |
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<Kaelten> |
that browsers haven't kept up with applications. |
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<Kaelten> |
I wonder if it runs under crossover |
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<prencher> |
dennda - heh.. can get that in firefox to |
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<prencher> |
o |
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<asmodai> |
damn |
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<asmodai> |
but Google Chrome does work fast |
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<prencher> |
hm? |
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<asmodai> |
rendering speed is nuts |
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<prencher> |
maybe i just have SUPER CRAZY FAST PC or sommat, but im not seeing any appreciable difference to ff3 |
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<prencher> |
http://stuff.prencher.dk/chrome.png "stats for nerds".. quite nifty |
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<prencher> |
its higher footprint than my firefox, but ill give them that over time.. this will remain at around the same level |
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<prencher> |
everytime you close a tab you free memory |
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<prencher> |
ff does too, but it holds onto memory for a lot longer |
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<dennda> |
jah I like it |
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<prencher> |
20 chrome.exe's running, main one is using 46mb |
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<prencher> |
closed all but the main one, back down to 34 |
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<prencher> |
sold. |
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<Kaelten> |
and the children each use how much? |
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<prencher> |
look at the screenshot above |
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<Kaelten> |
3-5? |
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<prencher> |
what i find very cool is that it runs each plugin as its own proc |
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<prencher> |
they don't even run within each tabs proc, their own seperate one |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - well heres the numbers with youtube and about:memory opened |
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<prencher> |
windows says (but it doesnt distinguish shared): 10.2mb, 10.1mb, 11.2mb, 38mb |
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<Kaelten> |
heh |
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<prencher> |
and chrome says: browser 30mb, flash 6.3mb, youtube 6.8mb, diagnostics 1.4mb, tab 4.8mb |
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<prencher> |
there seems to be a proc running at all times that hold all "new tabs" (including a hidden 'new tab' if you don't have any empty tabs open, preemptively) |
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<Kaelten> |
hrm |
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<Kaelten> |
could be worse |
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<Kaelten> |
I can deal paying a little bit up front. |
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<prencher> |
the main proc is up to 36mb now.. it does seem to be steadily growing, very slowly |
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<prencher> |
it's hard to say though |
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<Kaelten> |
hrm |
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<prencher> |
it could just be holding onto memory |
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<dennda> |
hu how comes it can play flash? |
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<Kaelten> |
they opened up the flash format a little whiel back didn't they? |
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<prencher> |
dennda - looking at about:plugins.. looks suspiciously like mozilla |
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<Kaelten> |
browse with it for a while and then close all the tabs except the default thing. and see if it settle down after not touching it for a while. |
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<prencher> |
yup.. it's netscape plugin compatible it seems |
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<prencher> |
(wtf? on top of webkit? weeeird.. that means they basically have two rendering apis or something?) |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: well if we have mozilla and google swapping ideas back and forth on browsers for a while that could be cool. |
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<dennda> |
do the episodes on southparkstudios.com only lag here? |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: could just be a compatability layer |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - well. duh :P |
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<Kaelten> |
well it isn't a bad thing |
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<prencher> |
dennda - runs smooth here |
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<Kaelten> |
instant access to all the common plugins |
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<Kaelten> |
and all that jazz |
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<Kaelten> |
now if it ran FF plugins, that'd be sweet... and weird. |
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<prencher> |
it runs the plugins.. not the addons though |
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<prencher> |
for obvious reasons |
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<Kaelten> |
ya I didn't expect it would, but itd be neat |
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<Kaelten> |
but more than likely unfeasible |
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<prencher> |
addons are all xul and crap |
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<Kaelten> |
ya |
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<prencher> |
that's never going to happen unless they use gecko |
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<Kaelten> |
hrm, do we know if chrome will take addons of some kind? |
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<prencher> |
doesnt look like it so far |
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<prencher> |
holy shit |
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<prencher> |
it has a builtin firebug style javascript debugger |
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<Kaelten> |
? |
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<Kaelten> |
sweet, I'd hope for no less, with how much stock google has in js based tech |
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<prencher> |
styles too - and it highlights on the page as you hover stuff in the source |
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<Kaelten> |
hehe |
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<prencher> |
oh ffs |
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<prencher> |
full time graphs too |
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<prencher> |
that is stupidly awesome |
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<Kaelten> |
screen shot of the debugger please? |
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<prencher> |
dude im watching britney take a piss in the forest |
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<Kaelten> |
wtf |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<prencher> |
well im watching a south park episode about said incident |
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<dennda> |
I like the inkognito mode |
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<prencher> |
yeah that's neat |
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<prencher> |
pr0n surfing! |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<prencher> |
i mean.. burning presents |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<Kaelten> |
I wonder how long its going tot ake them to build the ui for mac |
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<prencher> |
im guessing their ui is based on .. whats it called |
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<prencher> |
that stuff picassa uses |
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<Kaelten> |
? |
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<prencher> |
in which case its crossplatform already |
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<prencher> |
Qt |
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<Kaelten> |
possible |
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<prencher> |
no java for the browser yet it looks like |
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<Kaelten> |
meh |
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<Kaelten> |
I end up using java stuff in my web browser maybe once a year |
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<plaes> |
hum.. zune's trac still mentions textpress in milestones |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - need it for banking |
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<Kaelten> |
really? |
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<prencher> |
for the stuff it does have, it seems to just work |
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<Kaelten> |
heh |
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<prencher> |
im a bit puzzled though.. seems you cant access bookmarks from anywhere but the home page if you dont use the toolbar.. |
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<Kaelten> |
hrm |
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<Kaelten> |
egads, this source is taking its sweet time to download |
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<dennda> |
the 1,6 GB? :-) |
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<Kaelten> |
I have 124M so far |
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<Kaelten> |
heh |
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<Kaelten> |
all in the test directory |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<dennda> |
I wonder why it's that bloated |
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<prencher> |
time to see how many tubes it has open to google to report on my every move |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<prencher> |
oh it doesnt |
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<prencher> |
what pricks |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<Kaelten> |
how dare they not invade your privacy |
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<Kaelten> |
omg |
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<Kaelten> |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_fe_st/odd_chili_chow_down |
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<dennda> |
visual studio needed? Oo |
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<Kaelten> |
dennda: yep, and xcode3.1 if you're on mac |
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<xorAxAx> |
its not usable on linux |
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<xorAxAx> |
yet |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - hehehe.. if you run other browsers while chrome is running and look at about:memory, it shows a summary for each |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - http://stuff.prencher.dk/chrome.png updated this.. seems awful memory hungry.. mostly it's flash, but it's never sucked that much memory in ff here |
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<Kaelten> |
lol, 85Mb for flash |
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<Kaelten> |
jeez |
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<prencher> |
that's just two flash windows too |
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<prencher> |
namely the southpark player, and gamevideos |
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<prencher> |
and whatever ads those pages might have |
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<prencher> |
i went to a couple diff pages only to see the chrome.exe running flash go up in memory usage, and not down |
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<prencher> |
so it's not perfect yet |
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<prencher> |
(seems silly they expect plugins to manage memory usage when they don't trust themselves) |
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<prencher> |
only one proc per plugin, but also one per tab.. just seems odd |
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<apollo13> |
ronny: angetreten |
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<apollo13> |
ronny: or ping whatever you prefer ;) |
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<apollo13> |
ronny: don't waste your time on the zine plugin database problem (if you are already working on it); ping when you're back |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: indeed, if you close both windows that use flash did it free up the flash mem? |
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<dennda> |
apollo13: what's up with that? I need that functionality |
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<apollo13> |
dennda: I was on phone with armin it's a little more complicated then expected |
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<apollo13> |
or should I say much more? |
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<dennda> |
hm why is that? :-( |
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<apollo13> |
you know the virtual plugin thing? |
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<dennda> |
tell him I am working on the notification stuff next time you call him |
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<dennda> |
no, I am not that much into zine yet |
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<apollo13> |
was already in textpress |
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<dennda> |
not with textpress either :-) |
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<apollo13> |
essentially it's that every plugin is put into sys.modules under some identifier |
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<apollo13> |
to allow running the same plugin in different version |
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<apollo13> |
versions* |
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<apollo13> |
in a dynamicsetup |
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<apollo13> |
and now there is a problem with referencing the core via foreignkeys |
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<apollo13> |
but don't ask me why and what |
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<dennda> |
aha |
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<apollo13> |
we didn't talk much about it |
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<dennda> |
I'll just stub that out for now. creating a temporary file or something |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - closed one tab and it went down some 20mb |
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<prencher> |
closed the other and it got killed off after a little bit |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - problem is, it seems that no matter what you do, that same process sticks around until you have no sites with flash open (or any plugin) |
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<prencher> |
which means their argument that pages are indepdent.. doesnt quite add on, if any one plugin has just one proc |
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<kaelten_> |
well it sounds like they're ref counting the plugin |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - makes no difference when that plugin doesnt manage its memory properly |
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<Kaelten> |
yep |
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<prencher> |
and with the amount of sites using some sort of plugin, particularly flash |
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<Kaelten> |
at least it did close it though |
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<Kaelten> |
I'd imagine video playback is a fairly intensive application |
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<Kaelten> |