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<mitsuhiko> |
birkenfeld: i'll focus on sphinx tomorrow. form handling attracted my attention too much :) |
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<birkenfeld> |
mitsuhiko: sure ^^ |
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<mitsuhiko> |
mq: ping |
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<CIA-49> |
Zine: mitsuhiko default * 489:90e10bd14e8d /zine/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Added widgets to form system. |
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<davidcramer> |
lots of jinja plugs at djangocon :) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
haha |
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<davidcramer> |
cal anderson had a good talk on why django sucks |
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<davidcramer> |
http://www.iamcal.com/talks/ |
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<davidcramer> |
err why he hates it |
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<mitsuhiko> |
100mb for a presentation? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
Oo |
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<hads> |
Wow, large. |
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<davidcramer> |
mitsuhiko: he had lots of images, but idk |
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<hads> |
Yeah, bulk images in there. |
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<hads> |
Each slide is just a full image :) |
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<prencher> |
are they going to put up those talks anywhere?r |
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<prencher> |
recordings i mean |
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<prencher> |
mitsuhiko - heh, turns out bewee added the key prefix i mentioned 10 days ago |
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<davidcramer> |
so i need to intercept an html response, and append html right after <body> -- recommendations? |
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<davidcramer> |
err insert i should say |
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<prencher> |
i love it when he quits |
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<asmodai> |
well |
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<asmodai> |
that was nice |
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<asmodai> |
no train traffic |
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<asmodai> |
so I find myself home again |
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<aa_> |
morning 'smodai |
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<asmodai> |
:) |
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<maze> |
are there any known 'ready to go' frameworks (Django-ish) based on werkzeug? |
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<asmodai> |
glasshammer I think |
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<asmodai> |
or was ir glashammer? |
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<asmodai> |
http://glashammer.welterde.de/ |
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<maze> |
interesting |
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<asmodai> |
his fault |
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<maze> |
gross, bzr |
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<aa_> |
maze: yeah yeah, I know |
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<aa_> |
maze: everything else we have open source or at work is hg :) |
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<maze> |
:) |
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<aa_> |
maze: glashammer is basically unreleased and unannounced |
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<aa_> |
maze: so um, well, don't expect django :) |
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<maze> |
oh I don't, just like you state in the first paragraph, I'm tired of setting up a base for all my new apps |
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<aa_> |
innit |
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<maze> |
aight |
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<hads> |
Nothing wrong with bzr |
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<maze> |
hads, christian canonical crap |
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<TheSheep> |
O.o |
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<hads> |
heh righto |
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<plaes> |
any plans to release new werkzeug? |
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<_paneb> |
with routes, i can have a format hint as an extension to the request path (eg. /item.html or /item.xml). how can i achieve the same thing with werkzeug |
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<CIA-49> |
Zine: mitsuhiko default * 490:29a211c7a05b /zine/ (12 files in 6 dirs): Refactored some code in xxx, changed login form to use the new form system (this commit most likely breaks stuff. do not update unless you are a developer!) |
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<ronny> |
plaes: how exactly do format hints work, how are they different than a Rule( |
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<ronny> |
eh Rule('/item.<format>') |
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<plaes> |
_paneb: ^^ :) |
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<_paneb> |
hmm, i need to look more at the doc ;) |
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<ronny> |
ops |
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<ronny> |
hmm |
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<_paneb> |
ronny, ok, but is it possible to make the format optional, or at least default to something? |
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<ronny> |
something like Rule('/item', defaults={'format':'html'}) |
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<ronny> |
read the docs to be sure (i didnt use that in a few weeks |
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<asmodai> |
kaelten_: oi! |
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<kaelten_> |
? |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: I got a shitload of screenshots for wowdb :P |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<asmodai> |
Did you see that bug report email I sent? :) |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - he doesnt actually work on wowdb you know? :P |
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<prencher> |
he does forge and wowace |
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<Kaelten> |
ya I don't deal with the db sites, the guy in the next roomt does |
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<asmodai> |
oh ok |
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<asmodai> |
well |
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<asmodai> |
it's a .net traceback :P |
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<asmodai> |
which sucks for my postings |
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<asmodai> |
since I essentially have to do them twice to make my screenshots get posted :S |
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<Kaelten> |
oh? |
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<Kaelten> |
when you upload you're getting a .net traceback? |
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<asmodai> |
yeah |
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<Kaelten> |
I'll tell adamar |
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<asmodai> |
I think it's the position between when it's uploaded and then using that file to render the cropping screen |
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<asmodai> |
I sent the traceback to the email address |
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<asmodai> |
Exception Details: System.ArgumentException: Parameter is not valid. |
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<prencher> |
oh dear |
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<prencher> |
don't tell me they have debug turned on in deployment?= |
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<asmodai> |
was C# the top line or bottom one the most important in the traceback? |
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<prencher> |
see mitsuhiko |
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<prencher> |
asp.net sucks |
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<prencher> |
proof! |
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<prencher> |
the proooof! |
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<asmodai> |
lol |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<Kaelten> |
don't know about that site and debug mode |
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<Kaelten> |
adamar just tested and it worked just fine |
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<asmodai> |
it's intermittent |
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<asmodai> |
the best ones! |
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<asmodai> |
but always the second try works |
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<asmodai> |
Might've been a Google Chrome thing in combination with the code. |
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<prencher> |
secret ninja asp.net 'make chrome suck' code? |
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<asmodai> |
must be! |
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<asmodai> |
OMG U R GOOLZ |
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<asmodai> |
GOOGLZ |
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<prencher> |
google IS rather similar to "ghouls" |
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<prencher> |
they must be evil |
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<prencher> |
for those of you using wtforms, it's back on http://dev.simplecodes.com/wtforms (bb wont be updated anymore) |
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<prencher> |
hopefully the last move.. server had to be dumb |
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<apollo13> |
prencher: why the move to bb at all? |
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<apollo13> |
if you don't mind asking |
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<prencher> |
apollo13 - we had to take our VPS down for a while, had no immediate place to put our hg/trac back up |
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<apollo13> |
ah |
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<asmodai> |
btw, people rushing instances == fucktards |
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<apollo13> |
next time: hey pocoo I need a place to put my hg/trac thingy for a while :) |
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<prencher> |
hehe |
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<prencher> |
we werent sure we were going to put it up again.. like bb quite a bit ,but it's issue tracker is rather meh, as is the wiki |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: also weird, not sure if it is some js thing or not, when I middle click a result link of wow db with Chrome it opens the link in a new tab as well as the originating tab. Already reported to Google |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: But I think your database is a bit off at times |
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<asmodai> |
http://www.wowdb.com/npc.aspx?id=17215 |
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<Kaelten> |
weird |
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<asmodai> |
0.0000% chances for items they will never drop |
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<asmodai> |
where does it get it from? |
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<prencher> |
asmodai - curse client uploads |
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<prencher> |
its gathered using an addon, stored to lua and then processed/uploaded |
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<prencher> |
at least, thats how every other site does it pretty much |
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<prencher> |
it really ought ot filter those out though |
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<asmodai> |
yes I know it does that |
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<asmodai> |
but 0.0000%? o_O |
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<asmodai> |
oh |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: also |
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<asmodai> |
when you have submitted a screenshot |
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<asmodai> |
it then says: |
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<asmodai> |
The screenshot you submitted has been successfully cropped and processed Click here to return to the page you were viewing. |
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<asmodai> |
the link it points to: |
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<asmodai> |
http://www.wowdb.com/postScreenshot.aspx?id=18029&t=633564721572405000 |
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<asmodai> |
is plain wrong |
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<asmodai> |
probably needs to be something like npc.aspx? or spell.aspx? or similar |
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<Kaelten> |
write emails man |
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<asmodai> |
Kaelten: aww shucks ;) |
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<Kaelten> |
I don't work on that site :( |
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<asmodai> |
will do |
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<asmodai> |
but you's is like my inside contact man |
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<asmodai> |
hook a brotha up |
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<asmodai> |
(always wanted to say that) |
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<prencher> |
he be yo pimp on da inside |
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<asmodai> |
you down wif it dawg |
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<prencher> |
grumpy: <3. that is all |
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<_paneb> |
is there a way to have optional Rule arguments? i am trying to get something similar to what routes does with the 'format' argument which can be appended to any request url to specify a format (eg. xml, json, html) |
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<Rogi> |
in jinja shouldn't ' '|urlencode turn to '%20' ? |
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<Rogi> |
(space) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
Rogi: jinja1? |
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<Rogi> |
yes |
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<mitsuhiko> |
>>> from_string("{{ 'foo bar'|urlencode }}").render() |
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<mitsuhiko> |
u'foo%20bar' |
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<mitsuhiko> |
works here. and jinja2 doesn't have urlencode |
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<Rogi> |
hmm weird, I get space back |
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<Rogi> |
: got converted though |
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<Leonidas> |
has jinja2 dropped the djangosupport-stuff? |
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<Kaelten> |
Leonidas: I wrote a compatability lib very similar to the one that was included in jinja1, minus the magic |
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<Leonidas> |
Kaelten: link? |
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<Kaelten> |
one sec I'll pastey you |
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<Leonidas> |
I don't want to implement render_to_response myself, if somebody else already did :) |
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<Kaelten> |
maybe I should post it stand alone on the cheeseshop or something |
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<Kaelten> |
hehe, don't blame you |
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<Leonidas> |
or include it into jinja2, as contrib module or something. |
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<Kaelten> |
I wrote the basis of the one that was in jinja1 as well |
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<Kaelten> |
ya |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - you should talk to mitsuhiko about it now.. he's done going away randomly on "vacations" (ms brainwash camp) now i think |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<Leonidas> |
ms bootcamp? :) |
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<Kaelten> |
Leonidas: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/84786/ |
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<Kaelten> |
I think I cleaned out all the curft I had added in custom |
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<Leonidas> |
Kaelten: thanks, in case I'll have any problems with it I'll tell you :) |
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<Kaelten> |
:) |
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<Kaelten> |
I use the full version on curseforge |
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<Kaelten> |
although I haven't tested context|clean_inclusion yet |
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<Kaelten> |
haven't had a use for them |
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<mitsuhiko> |
Leonidas: there is an experimental module in ext too |
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<mitsuhiko> |
but i don't want to bundle it with jinja any longer |
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<mitsuhiko> |
makes more sense to have it as separate library |
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<Leonidas> |
mitsuhiko: why? |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - jinja2-django cheeseshop project, GO |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: lol |
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<mitsuhiko> |
Leonidas: a) i don't have to maintain it, b) i don't have to ship bugfix releases because of changes in django, c) i don't use django |
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<prencher> |
do it now before davidcramer puts some awful shit out there Kaelten |
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<prencher> |
whether or not you are laughing your ass of will determine your future |
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<Leonidas> |
mitsuhiko: now that django has 1.0 it shouldn't be a problem. |
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<mitsuhiko> |
Leonidas: still. i don't want to open that can of works another time |
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<Leonidas> |
mitsuhiko: well, it's your lib, your decision :) |
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<Kaelten> |
mitsuhiko: I'll have something up shortly you can point people too |
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<prencher> |
seriously Kaelten, do it now, before it's too late |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<Kaelten> |
I have to set it up first |
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<Kaelten> |
won't take me too long though |
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<Kaelten> |
heh I'll have to revist the peak docs and learn more about how to use setuptools for this |
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<Kaelten> |
but I have a very rough project ready to register |
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<Kaelten> |
hehe |
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<prencher> |
1: steal setup files from jinja |
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<prencher> |
2: adapt them |
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<prencher> |
3: ???? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA |
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<mitsuhiko> |
myspace presents a-space |
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<mitsuhiko> |
the myspace for cia agents |
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<mitsuhiko> |
http://www.fcw.com/online/news/153673-1.html |
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<Leonidas> |
Kaelten: doesn't your extra_context fill up with stuff? Mutable objects in function signatures aren't generally a good idea. |
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<Kaelten> |
Leonidas: no actually, but you're right its not good karma |
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<Leonidas> |
prencher: how do you mean that davidcramer-thing? |
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<Leonidas> |
Kaelten: I'll post my version, wait a minute. |
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<Kaelten> |
ya, now that I'm going to actually release the stuff to the outside world I guess that means I need to clean it up and document it all |
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<apollo13> |
you two are talking about what? |
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<Leonidas> |
Kaelten: that's what I'm going to use. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/84790/ But you should really publish it as a proper project when you find some time, it definitely is usefull. |
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<Leonidas> |
s/usefull/useful/ |
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<Leonidas> |
apollo13: django integration. |
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<apollo13> |
for what? |
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<apollo13> |
ah jinja? |
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<Kaelten> |
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/jinja2-django/0.1 |
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<Kaelten> |
ya I got the project made |
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<Kaelten> |
going to take my code |
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<Kaelten> |
clean it up and put it up there |
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<Leonidas> |
I guess the best solution for forms are WTForms, right? |
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<Kaelten> |
ya I wish I had used them |
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<Leonidas> |
(if not using Djangos forms) |
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<Kaelten> |
most/all of the other form projects look abandoned |
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<Kaelten> |
but if you bug prencher enough he still adds stuff |
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<Leonidas> |
I have used FormEncode+FormBuilder, it was quite okay, but then WTForms weren't yet written |
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<Kaelten> |
I kinda agree with the guy from the why I hate django talk. |
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<Kaelten> |
its a good framework until you start doing complex stuff or need to scale |
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<Leonidas> |
Kaelten: don't know this talk. have a link? |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher linked me his slides |
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<Kaelten> |
let me see if I can find it |
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<Kaelten> |
http://www.iamcal.com/talks/hate_django.pdf |
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<Leonidas> |
Kaelten: yeah, true. I have resisted the urge to throw out django stuff for quite some time, but it gets really annoying when there are nice alternatives available |
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<Leonidas> |
Kaelten: thanks |
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<Kaelten> |
ya I'm working up a small stack centered around werkzeug I plan to use in my future projects |
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<Leonidas> |
uhh, 99MB - was propably a very long talk :) |
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<Kaelten> |
kinda, also a lot of graphics |
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<birkenfeld> |
mitsuhiko: ping |
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<Leonidas> |
Kaelten: call it.. glasshammer. No wait, this name is already used :) |
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<Kaelten> |
na I'm calling it gypsy |
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<ronny> |
oO |
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<Kaelten> |
oops |
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<apollo13> |
Kaelten: wouldn't call it gypsy |
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<Kaelten> |
? |
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<apollo13> |
http://folks.o-hand.com/iain/gypsy/ |
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<Kaelten> |
lol |
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<Kaelten> |
I wouldn't have called the doc engine here sphinx |
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<Kaelten> |
but it was done so anyway |
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<ronny> |
Kaelten: what does it do, is it open? |
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<Kaelten> |
gypsy ? |
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<ronny> |
yeah |
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<Kaelten> |
I'm developing it for personal use but if people or interested i'll probably put it on the cheeseshop |
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<Kaelten> |
its going to be a light weight web frame built around werkzeug sqla and jinja2 |
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<ronny> |
Kaelten: could you just put it on bitbucket? |
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<ronny> |
(asuming you use hg) |
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<Kaelten> |
so I'm not sure what application it'll have in the grand scheme of things |
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<Kaelten> |
I do use hg |
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<ronny> |
btw, ever took a look at glasshammer? |
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<Kaelten> |
nope |
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<Kaelten> |
but I've heard two people mention it |
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<ronny> |
welterde and aa_ made it |
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<Kaelten> |
in 20 lines |
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<welterde> |
glashammer ftw!1!11 |
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<welterde> |
;) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
birkenfeld: pong |
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<ronny> |
welterde: it doesnt convince me yet |
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<Kaelten> |
welterde: link? |
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<welterde> |
Kaelten: https://glashammer.welterde.de/ i think |
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<_paneb> |
is there a way to have optional Rule arguments? i am trying to get something similar to what routes does with the 'format' argument which can be appended to any request url to specify a format (eg. xml, json, html) |
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<mitsuhiko> |
_paneb: for that sort of routing routes is the better choice |
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<mitsuhiko> |
werkzeug routing focuses on human readable unique urls, not so much on restful urls |
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<mitsuhiko> |
s/resultful/rails inspired restful/ |
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<_paneb> |
right |
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<_paneb> |
what about just restful urls? |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - we're planning on hammering the rearch and subforms, field lists together i nthe next week and release 0.2 |
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<prencher> |
then focus on documentation and full unit tests for 0.3 |
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<prencher> |
we both have a schedule that should allow it now, so.. stuff will happen |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: cool stuff |
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<mitsuhiko> |
holy cow: http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000FKBCX4/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 |
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<prencher> |
i also want to make sure to have frequent releases (in terms of size of each release, not time.. as our dev time is a bit sporadic for side projects) |
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<Kaelten> |
mitsuhiko: 90% of them are hammering the DRM |
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<prencher> |
getting 0.1 out there helped a lot |
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<Kaelten> |
prencher: hehe, I bet |
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<mitsuhiko> |
Kaelten: i know |
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<mitsuhiko> |
but that's.... awesome |
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<prencher> |
Kaelten - actually.. while i wouldnt say its a 1 star game.. all ive heard about spore is "meh." |
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<ronny> |
spre kicks ass |
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<ronny> |
*spore |
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<ronny> |
i love it |
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<prencher> |
it's not a game.. its a little chunk of will wrights brain |
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<welterde> |
runs on linux/osx? |
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<ronny> |
not really |
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<welterde> |
pff... boring |
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<prencher> |
EA game.. on os x / linux? |
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<prencher> |
...insert manic laughter here |
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<welterde> |
with cedage? |
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<welterde> |
(or $something_else) |
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<ronny> |
no |
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<ronny> |
well, it crashes my wine very regular |
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<welterde> |
too bad |
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<mitsuhiko> |
hahaha: http://www.rorsecurity.info/2008/09/08/sql-injection-issue-in-limit-and-offset-parameter/ |
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<mitsuhiko> |
"""Steven got hold of DHH at RailsConf and of Aaron Bedra who apparently discovered this problem a couple of months ago""" |
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<mitsuhiko> |
so they have a known sql injection for month in their framework? |
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<ronny> |
lol |
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<prencher> |
mitsuhiko - they knew about the horrible leaks for about a year and didnt bother fixing it.. so what do you expect |
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<prencher> |
and i dont mean they couldnt track it down - instead they didnt even look for it and wrote a monitoring process to restart rails instances |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: have you read the latest blog entry by miguel? try out python, ruby ... csharp! :D |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: yeah. that's nice |
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<Leonidas> |
mitsuhiko: howly cow indeed. Thats probably the worst rated article on amazon *ever* |
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<Leonidas> |
sebner: miguel de icaza? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
Leonidas: yep |
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<sebner> |
Leonidas: master himself :D |
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<Leonidas> |
oh, interactive C#. Fun. |
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<Leonidas> |
I mean, ok, they are late to the game, now that about any language has a interactive mode, but still. |
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<prencher> |
i doubt theres one for C++ |
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<prencher> |
writing templates in an interactive shell would be... "fun" |
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<mitsuhiko> |
Leonidas: i used ironpython so far to inspect my mono applications |
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<mitsuhiko> |
works like a charm :) |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: something public, plans for publishing something? |
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<Leonidas> |
ronny: hmm, I wonder whether just using a cracked version of Spore is not... easier. Even for legal users. |
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<mitsuhiko> |
nope, nope |
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<prencher> |
Leonidas - it IS easier |
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<Leonidas> |
prencher: there is something similar for C, but no idea whether it really ever worked. |
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<Leonidas> |
prencher: thats called DRM fail, then. Somehow, DRM is "fail" by definition, because it alsways stinks and pisses off customers. |
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<prencher> |
yes |
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<mitsuhiko> |
Leonidas: interpreted versions of C exist, C++ is a lot harder |
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<prencher> |
Leonidas - it's also a part of the reason that most people prefer consoles these days |
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<prencher> |
on a pc you have to deal with hardware, installs, drm, drivers, .... |
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<prencher> |
a console you put in a dvd and you're done |
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<Leonidas> |
and even worse.. most of the times windows. |
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<mitsuhiko> |
prencher: [ ] you've played on a ps3 |
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<prencher> |
ps3 is not a console |
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<prencher> |
its a cell cpu with a hdd |
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<apollo13> |
rofl |
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<apollo13> |
wii ftw |
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<prencher> |
i like my 360 |
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<prencher> |
would love a wii but cant justify it for 3 games |
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<apollo13> |
hmm 360 for what? nothing you can't get for pc |
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<apollo13> |
at least similar stuff ;) |
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<prencher> |
plenty you cant get for PC |
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<prencher> |
and look above |
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<apollo13> |
that's what cracks are for |
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<prencher> |
that only adresses drm |
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<apollo13> |
well I am a pc guy, I don't care |
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<prencher> |
it doesnt address games that are only out for 360, play better on the 360 or which just plain suck on pc |
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<prencher> |
and i dont have to upgrade my 360 either.. thats a real monetary plus |
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<apollo13> |
I never liked playing fps on a console |
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<prencher> |
i didnt before the 360 either, i hated it.. love it now though, it's really nice on the 360 controller.. but either way |
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<prencher> |
i do still play pc games mind.. certain games i'd never play on a console, like tf2 |
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<apollo13> |
dunno, maybe I never played enough |
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<apollo13> |
I just can't aim without my mouse |
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<prencher> |
oh it took me like a month to get used to it apollo13 |
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<prencher> |
and it was outright PAINFUL f or the first week |
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<apollo13> |
can't argue here, I don't have a console |
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<apollo13> |
that's what it is for me, when playing with friends |
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<apollo13> |
I only was good at medal of honor |
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<prencher> |
apollo13 - once you get used to a comfy chair, a big tv and a controller, headset just relaxing while cutting someone in half.. hard to go back ;) |
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<Kaelten> |
spore is spost to run on osx |
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<Kaelten> |
I'll be trying it tonight |
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<apollo13> |
I'll try it on cedega |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: would you mind telling a newbie how this is possible with a compiled language? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
sebner: there is no such thing as a compiled language |
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<mitsuhiko> |
language implementations can be compiled ahead of time or just in time (AOT / JIT) or interpreted |
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<mitsuhiko> |
but that's not a feature of the language |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: as I said. /me = newbie. The only thing I now=C# compile, python interpret ^^ |
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<mitsuhiko> |
that's bullshit :) |
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<prencher> |
sebner - python is compiled before its interpreted :P |
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<prencher> |
C# is compiled, then interpreted and jit compiled |
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<mitsuhiko> |
the only difference between c# and python here is that python doesn't have a jit |
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<prencher> |
(but see also: psyco) |
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<sebner> |
mitsuhiko: kk :) |
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<ronny> |
mitsuhiko: what about the typing ? ;P |
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<mitsuhiko> |
ronny: sure thing :) |
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<ronny> |
hmm |
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<birkenfeld> |
mitsuhiko: sorry, my xserver crashed |
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<birkenfeld> |
and I had to find out how to make it run again |
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<mitsuhiko> |
birkenfeld: wouldn't have happened with windows :) |
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<birkenfeld> |
argh, again |
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<birkenfeld> |
seems that xorg 1.5 isn't stable yet |
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<birkenfeld> |
anyway |
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<mitsuhiko> |
birkenfeld: why have you upgraded? |
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<mitsuhiko> |
new features? :) |
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<birkenfeld> |
well, gentoo does that |
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<birkenfeld> |
it is also supposed to be faster, whatever that means |